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Posted 11 August 2015 - 18:44 PM

My father in law has been watching a medical program about antibiotics and the digestive system.
By a professor ...It appears that if all the bacteria good and bad is killed through antibiotics, the good cannot regenerate on its own, and neither can it be put back through yoghurt/probiotics. The only way, the program said, was through putting someone else's poo directly into the stomach (via endoscopy) , this donor had to have a healthy digestion themselves.
It's like if you buy a brand new fish tank you have to put a bacterial culture from another established tank before the water is suitable for fish to live in.
This is surely the same for all living things.

Don't POO POO IT :)

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 19:09 PM

Surely you should not use AB to such an extent that you wipe out all the good bacteria

Maybe this is why they are POM

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 20:51 PM

is this why the deep litter system has some merit
food for thought

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 14:10 PM

Interesting, however I purchased a brand new aquarium nearly 5 years ago and filled it with tap water, Put 20 fish in and still to this day have 12 left. My outside pond when it gets a little dirty I put the hose in it and leave overnight to flush it out and they are 10 years old now and yet I always let the birds drinking water sit 24 hours before filling the drinker. The idiosyncrasy of us all.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 14:37 PM

View Postpeter pandy, on 12 August 2015 - 14:10 PM, said:

Interesting, however I purchased a brand new aquarium nearly 5 years ago and filled it with tap water, Put 20 fish in and still to this day have 12 left. My outside pond when it gets a little dirty I put the hose in it and leave overnight to flush it out and they are 10 years old now and yet I always let the birds drinking water sit 24 hours before filling the drinker. The idiosyncrasy of us all.


Few years ago I bought a 4x2 tank,power head..every thing brand new,including water tablets to take all the crap
Out of the tap water, chlorine etc
Bought to clown loaches,2 angel fish,and a few others,they all went belly up within a couple of days!
Not long after....
It was a mate of my brothers ( who had tropical/and marine aquariums )who told me to go around to his place and collect a bag of Bactria,from his tank,and to let it build up for a couple of weeks,then introduce a couple of fish at a time,after that all was ok
Suppose it all down to your water provider :animatedpigeons:

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 15:19 PM

What amount Ian?
Different strengths etc. and different kills. I've often posted that it doesn't discriminate ... Kills all good and bad alike. Can destroy a immune system over night ... one that has took years to build up in a loft etc. JMO
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Posted 12 August 2015 - 15:21 PM

Mark Gilbert took a loft of his dads lofts dropping and spread it into his new loft... weeks before he went to Louella and bought his first birds.
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Posted 12 August 2015 - 16:02 PM

View Postghostrider, on 11 August 2015 - 18:44 PM, said:

My father in law has been watching a medical program about antibiotics and the digestive system.
By a professor ...It appears that if all the bacteria good and bad is killed through antibiotics, the good cannot regenerate on its own, and neither can it be put back through yoghurt/probiotics. The only way, the program said, was through putting someone else's poo directly into the stomach (via endoscopy) , this donor had to have a healthy digestion themselves.
It's like if you buy a brand new fish tank you have to put a bacterial culture from another established tank before the water is suitable for fish to live in.
This is surely the same for all living things.

Don't POO POO IT :)

I had a big operation on my stomach years ago, after the op i took really bad diarrhoea and my stomach blew up rock hard had to get injections to stop this reason given all bacteria in my stomach killed off with being exposed to fresh air for 8 days the skits went on everytime i ate but it stopped and things came back to normal so bacteria must regenerate IMO.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 17:16 PM

It would be unlikely that any antibiotic would kill all bacteria. For example if you treat a bacterial infection with an inappropriate antibiotic then you still have a bacterial infection. That is why sensitivity tests are done before treatment.
However what you appear to say is that probiotics don't help restore good bacteria if it has been wiped out.
Therefore are probiotics a big con ( not related to pigeons but life itself) or do they work when the good bacteria has only been reduced.
It's really too big a subject for myself.

Been there done the fish pond thing without problem till the fish grew to such an extent that the waste produced was out with the capacity of the filter to convert it from ammonia to nitrate.

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Posted 13 August 2015 - 02:16 AM

i have had a fish tank for years and top it up with tap water and they thrive on it , tropical that is, now my y/b on weaning goes into the y/bird loft and i dont scrape for the season apartr from the perches, not on deep litter but on grids, never had a problem with sickness and dont treat for anything,if a youngster isnt thriving its done away with sharp.thwe only thing i watch is newcomers to the dookit and they are held in a box till acclimatized to the otgher birds before released and after a week if they look iffy they are away as well, i dont beleive all the crap about bottles of this and that, if the bird has the contstusion itll thrive and do well, thwe only additive i putin to the feed once a week is mollasses and they do well on it, full o vitamens, a tip i got from wilson noble fae the broch who i beleive is still the record holder for the longest distance doo into scotland, i also think every doo is a homer therefore i only feed straight corn like beans, wheat,barley,maize,corn so they will if lost will recognize and eat off the fields, getting back to the thread, imo dont dose, do away, only my opinion mind, my finger is bust so ime off. :emoticon-0140-rofl:

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Posted 13 August 2015 - 08:36 AM

Its called a faecal transplant - I didn't see the TV programme, but having suffered from an inflammatory bowel condition for many years - it is a treatment offered more in the USA (but wasn't offered here)

Someone with an inflammatory bowel condition ie Crohn's disease or Ulcerative colitis does not have the abundance of intestinal flora that a normal human being has (for some reason) - one of the treatments offered - again in the USA - is a high concentration probiotic called VSL3

And what did I get? I got an experimental course of antibiotics consisting of 3 powerful antibiotic drugs - one to treat leprosy, one to treat TB and one to treat chest infections (dapsone rifampicin and clarithromycin)

I took them for 4 months, and they made me really ill, chest infections I had never suffered from - and I got a chest infection whilst on these medications - and needed an inhaler, mouth ulcers so severe I could not eat - and moreover - it did absolutely nothing for the inflammatory bowel disease

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Posted 13 August 2015 - 09:58 AM

Pigeons will often tell you all's not right with their gut when you see them picking at dried broken down droppings.
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Posted 13 August 2015 - 10:30 AM

Suppose that's why doctors are not handing out Antibiotics now wllie nilly
After they found traces of it in our drinking water,also on the news abit back
Along with some other nasties in different area's of the country

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