Roland Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 Most is tosh spouted here. Reality is there will always be those able to, that will, take advantage. This is so in every walk of life nigh. It is the exploitation, no matter how it is dressed up, that scars. The constant manipulation to gain more advantages on an already unlevel playing fields. Yes of course there is, and alway will be corrupt and manipulative salesmen etc. That is known by most, but mostly it is the foolhardy that get conned.... again through idiotic dreams and ludicriss hopes. Time too Nationals allowed good flyers in unmeretious locations to have the Sections that gives them merit. Gosh it is a joke when Feds, Algam, Combines etc. tripe quadrupple the pigeons sent to Nationals EVERY Week. Why? Because sections mean lining better position lofts coffers. No taste in that, so better of using that monies to feed the birds for a season, or train for their' Club......... Combines etc. So in reality lets face it and be honest here, NATIONALS are to all and sundry a sad Joke! No merit possible, so many that JUST don't bother to waste money. Then who is at fault? Not those that don't waste time not sending and keeping their pigeon money in the pocket to be used in a far more sensible way and place. No the NFC. THE MNFC etc. etc. They wantonly manipulate to appease those that CAN and wonder why not ever more than 3 - 5000 birds are sent! Gosh dozens of concerns send more every week. Rife throughout, and right to the very top. What happened to DAX for example? Never mind the cods wallop spouted, the fact is that the Brits had a chance to win it... so :-/ Took them years to accept it, then ... Never mind them that waste time and effort - like many do, and many names spring straight to mind - spouting about 'Getting everyone on board to go for these Pau / Tarbes etc. And 'Have to be in it toi win it' crap. The so called big concerns can't even agree to send together and cut cost etc. etc. So just who want to put any faith in such showers? If they went collectively, made sensible sections, and gave a little glimmer of actually getting some recognition, and merit, then they may very well send. Sure the same area's will excell. We ALL know that, but if a good birds elsewhere --- Like Frank Doomans section winner - got their' just desserts, then yes some others would no doubt have a go! But to aimlessly throw away good money to bolster better located lofts coffers and bragging rights if soul destroy and senile, and makes no sense whatsoever. Yet, the scribes etc. still play 'Silly me.... Sillier you'!! And some decide to have a go, why more get sharp and give it up as the bad crack it is.
DOVEScot Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 Most is tosh spouted here. Reality is there will always be those able to, that will, take advantage. This is so in every walk of life nigh. It is the exploitation, no matter how it is dressed up that scars. It is the manipulation to gain more advantages on an already unlevel playing fields. Yes of ofcourse there is, and alway will be corrupt and manipulative salesmen etc. That is known by most, but mostly it is the foolhardy that get conned.... again through idiotic dreams and ludicriss hopes. Time Nationals allowed good flyers in unmeretious locations have the Sections that gives them merit. Gosh is a joke when Feds, Algam, Combines etc. tripe quadrupple the pigeons sent to Nationals EVERY Week. Why? Because sections mean lining better position lofts coffers. No taste in that, so better of using that monies to feed the birds for a season, or train for their Club......... Combines etc. So in reality lets face it and be honest here, NATIONALS are to all and sundry a sad Joke! No merit possible fo many that JUST don't bother to waste money. Then who is at fault? No those that don't waste time not sending and keeping the pigeon money in pocket to be used in a far more sensible place. No the NFC. THE MNFC etc. etc. They wantonly manipulate to appease those that CAN and wonder why not ever 3 - 5000 birds are sent! Gosh dozens of concerns send more every week. Rife through out right to the top. What happen to DAX? Never mind the cods wallop, the fact is that the Brits had a chance to win it... so :-/ Never mond them waste time and effort - like many do, and many names spring straight to mind - about 'Getting everyone on board to go for these Pau / Tarbes etc. And 'Have to be in it toi win it' crap. The so called big concerns can't even agree to send together and cut cost etc. etc. So just who want to put any faith in such showers? If they went collectively, made sensible sections and gave a little glimmer of actually getting some recognition, and merit, then they may very well send. Sure the same area's will excell. We ALL know that, but if a good birds elsewhere --- Like Frank Doomans section winner - got their just desserts, then yes. But to aimlessly throw away good money to bolster better located lofts if soul destroy and senile. Yet, the scribes etc. still play 'Silly me.... Sillier you'!! Its same in all sports Roland and we all talk tosh at times because we are humans and not clones although some follow like sheep ;D
whiteknight Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 I have to work extra hours to fund the birds i buy in,no one gives them to me i do sell a few but give as well i have no fancy lofts thats a fact its whats in them that counts to me.Ive had fanciers say to me how can you win out of them lofts easy good healthy pigeons and plenty of luck.If i have to pay say £200 or £300 pounds or more thats down to me,but i will say i always study a family or bird before i buy in.GOOD HEALTHY PIGEONS WIN RACES SIMPLE .
les Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 On speaking to many fanciers in general they believe it has been taken over by Pigeon Politicians and to many people wanting to make a fast Buck.There are Thousands of pigeons shipped in which are purely bred to sell and not for the better of our sport.There is nothing wrong with the small-time/team fancier who is racing well and there is a demand for his pigeons which in turns pays for the feeding and racing bill.It comes to light when the Dealers who are not pigeon fanciers are making a good living on the back of honest working fanciers who are intelligent to realise that they only come to this country due to not having a market at home.Will it get any better with commercialisition and the prices being asked time will tell.Lets forget about the market place dictating prices and what is your thoughts on a maximum price for a racing pigeon. every one will learn a lesson ,just like i did ,if you dont ,i got some birds for sale £2,000 each just pm me ,i will even pay the cost to get them to you . >
les Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH PIGEON RACING TODAY IS WITHOUT A DOUBT ,THE B.O.P PROBLEM,THEY DONT MIND IF YOU PAY £5 OR £5,000 FOR A BIRD,THEY WILL STILL KILL THEM,IF THIS PROBLEM ISNT SOLVED SOON,THIER WONT BE MANY FANCIERS LEFT TO BUY PIGEONS,ANYWAY!, MERRY XMAS.TO ALL ON PIGEON BASICS :) a truer staitment could not be written .look out .2010.
dwh Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 People that cant lose, if they dont win every week they give up,, they blame the birds and the transport and the position of the loft, When what they need to do is look in the mirror :-/ you ever noticed some (not all) of the best winners are some of the worst losers they think they ave a god given right to win when they don't they blame anything and anybody thats 1 bad thing about our sport
Guest stb- Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 People that cant lose, if they dont win every week they give up,, they blame the birds and the transport and the position of the loft, When what they need to do is look in the mirror :-/yip you gotta blame sumthing transport my push bike gotta flat tyre, position, well it -9 just now so loft should be in a warmer country, mirror, stopped looking in that years ago ;D ;D ;D
Guest frank dooman Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 great thread i think a bird for racing is worth £30 and to try in the stock loft £50 now that comming from someone who has in the past paid well over £1,000 for a bird thats just my oppinion that is the price i think my birds are worth and i think i have as good a bird in my loft as most as some have said its us who inflate the prices (or at least help them) to do it so dont pay the over inflated prices save your pennies and buy from a small loft they are out there some time they will work for you sometimes they won ive only ever sold twice 3 birds in total the 1st was the year after i won the 1 loft race i sold a y/b the same way bred for £30 and felt very guilty after that then last year i sold 2 birds for £100 each i paid £450 for them 2 years before but felt they were not as good as my own but i do want to try a bit of that blood through my own, yes i have thought about selling some of my 2nd round this year but i dont know if the guilt will take over again thats after paying thousands of pounds over the last few years but i see fanciers that have done nothing with birds selling y/bs on the back of the peds. of what they have bought that anoyes me a bit
Guest stb- Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 great thread i think a bird for racing is worth £30 and to try in the stock loft £50 now that comming from someone who has in the past paid well over £1,000 for a bird thats just my oppinion that is the price i think my birds are worth and i think i have as good a bird in my loft as most as some have said its us who inflate the prices (or at least help them) to do it so dont pay the over inflated prices save your pennies and buy from a small loft they are out there some time they will work for you sometimes they won ive only ever sold twice 3 birds in total the 1st was the year after i won the 1 loft race i sold a y/b the same way bred for £30 and felt very guilty after that then last year i sold 2 birds for £100 each i paid £450 for them 2 years before but felt they were not as good as my own but i do want to try a bit of that blood through my own, yes i have thought about selling some of my 2nd round this year but i dont know if the guilt will take over again thats after paying thousands of pounds over the last few years but i see fanciers that have done nothing with birds selling y/bs on the back of the peds. of what they have bought that anoyes me a bit good honest post that Frank
Guest stb- Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 Dont think anyone should feel guilty aboutselling good birds at fair prices, just dont like the ones that sell on the duds to make a few quid > after they aint done nowt :-/
robbiedoo. Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 Quoted from frank dooman great thread i think a bird for racing is worth £30 and to try in the stock loft £50 now that comming from someone who has in the past paid well over £1,000 for a bird thats just my oppinion that is the price i think my birds are worth and i think i have as good a bird in my loft as most as some have said its us who inflate the prices (or at least help them) to do it so dont pay the over inflated prices save your pennies and buy from a small loft they are out there some time they will work for you sometimes they won ive only ever sold twice 3 birds in total the 1st was the year after i won the 1 loft race i sold a y/b the same way bred for £30 and felt very guilty after that then last year i sold 2 birds for £100 each i paid £450 for them 2 years before but felt they were not as good as my own but i do want to try a bit of that blood through my own, yes i have thought about selling some of my 2nd round this year but i dont know if the guilt will take over again thats after paying thousands of pounds over the last few years but i see fanciers that have done nothing with birds selling y/bs on the back of the peds. of what they have bought that anoyes me a bit great post frank i,m the same they say strike whilst the irons hot . my doos have been flying realy well for me the last 4 or 5 year and have been told to sell some but am like you full of guilt then you see some fanceirs that have never won a race selling and have orders for youngsters to sell next year and you wonder what this game is coming to and the 98% rule comes in sad is it .
BLACK W F Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 well Robbie you give plenty to good causes more than most a lot more and your birds have flown really well you got nothing to feel guilty about you can look in the mirrow with a clear consience as they will get exactly what your racing
Guest frank dooman Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 you just made me read my post again it looks as though i said £1000 for my birds i meant £30 for racing and £50 for stock thats what i think my birds are worth i must have given over 30 birds away last year to sales and new starts and allready offered 6/8 for this season so i suppose some things will never change
Guest stb- Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 you just made me read my post again it looks as though i said £1000 for my birds i meant £30 for racing and £50 for stock thats what i think my birds are worth i must have given over 30 birds away last year to sales and new starts and allready offered 6/8 for this season so i suppose some things will never change You wont have any left to sell Frank Masarela at that rate ;D ;D ;D
Guest frank dooman Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 You wont have any left to sell Frank Masarela at that rate ;D ;D ;D i was thinking that as well robert but i only keep the 1st round and the odd 2nd round bird 25/30 y/bs is enough for me
robbiedoo. Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 thanks for your kind comments black w/f frank i,m the same as you i have promised some youngsters next year to sales and fanceirs i just hope i keep enough for myself :-/. it just realy annoys me fanceirs selling when they have never done nothing themselves yet .
Guest frank dooman Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 robbie some are very good at buming up there birds for sales great at writing the adverts i struggle to remember what open pos i won last year it tends to be the very special ones i remember many are over looked beaten by loft mates
frank-123 Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 too many fanciers down the sport and our splits in scotland annoy me my old man never sold a pigeon in his life i will be the same paid a few quid for birds over the years none better than the free one's i got as a present and as it christmas i will accept presents
dwh Posted December 24, 2009 Report Posted December 24, 2009 great thread i think a bird for racing is worth £30 and to try in the stock loft £50 now that comming from someone who has in the past paid well over £1,000 for a bird thats just my oppinion that is the price i think my birds are worth and i think i have as good a bird in my loft as most as some have said its us who inflate the prices (or at least help them) to do it so dont pay the over inflated prices save your pennies and buy from a small loft they are out there some time they will work for you sometimes they won ive only ever sold twice 3 birds in total the 1st was the year after i won the 1 loft race i sold a y/b the same way bred for £30 and felt very guilty after that then last year i sold 2 birds for £100 each i paid £450 for them 2 years before but felt they were not as good as my own but i do want to try a bit of that blood through my own, yes i have thought about selling some of my 2nd round this year but i dont know if the guilt will take over again thats after paying thousands of pounds over the last few years but i see fanciers that have done nothing with birds selling y/bs on the back of the peds. of what they have bought that anoyes me a bit great post frank it not just the birds you get from buying from a small loft its the tips and infor mation you receiveand the friendly advice you get after if something goes wrong
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