Guest bigbok Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 i know you all have your own ideas but come on no one is forcing you to buy them do your homework and don,t buy just cos your mate has buy them coz they will improve your winning streak and build up a better team or family of birds that are based on sound success year in year out not the latest van der fortunes that i hear so many of you chasing im not generalising or tarinng all with same brush but a little common sense goes a long way i have seen so many of my friends fathers blow their redundancys at louella and the rest of them and are no better off i have racers as feeders in my loft that my mates have paid in excess of 400 each and they are not worth a carrot the sport is only controlled or allowed to develop how you want it to
Guest bigbok Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 Pigeon racing is what you make it, Its either a hobby or you want to make more of it. If you put the time and money into it then good luck to you. If you are unable to do this,then a hobby it is, Whatever you go into these days, theres always people with more money, and basically buy there own success. I personally prefer to work at it, without money doing all the work. I buy birds, you need to,however will never pay a fortune for them, and if I was fortunate enough to make something of myself in this sport, then I agree with stuart that I would sale a few, to keep me in corn and enter a few more in the better races Merry Christmas to all. this type of mentality and determination will take you to the top i wish you all the success you should get
Guest mick bowler Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 Mick Its true that the internet is used to sell pigeons without having to place them in some hand. My first few purchases from the internet more very disappointing and now i dont buy unless i handle it or its from someone i trust. In terms of tax, i pay it on every penny i make as an auctioneer, as you say thats trading, same as if i sell a pigeon behalf of someone in a private or open treaty, however as a pigeon fancier if i sell a few of my own birds (i rarely do) then i am funding my hobby. Stuart Stuart, i did'nt for one minute mean yourself, and maybe i should of added that their are exceptions to the rule of course. Theres nothing wrong with selling a few YBs to keep costs down, but having said that i have only ever sold Ybs once, as i never felt before that, that my Ybs would be of benefit to other lads even tho plenty had won with mine as freebies, and there are those (not yourself) who probably never won a race in their life selling Ybs every week. I'm sure you know the type of guys i was talking about, those that also make it sound like they are doing you a favour as well as writing pedigrees for the birds the way you want them. I have bought birds from the internet, quite a few infact, including from yourself, and have been happy with 90% of them, but then again, after spending 30 years or so in this game i know (or should do!!) what i want or dont want, other lads like new starters don't have that luxury.
Wizzer Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 Thank you Bik Bok I know what I want in this sport, however I know how hard it is to achieve, I shall keep plugging on until I achieve it
dwh Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 you can't buy success like you say you got to put some haard work in to make the money pay
Guest bigbok Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 so very true it comes with great hard work and a whole load of luck lol
harky Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 To many people holding grudges and believing everything their told and your right about non racing dealers their only selling their keek
dwh Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 do any think you should train widow or roundabout cocks after racing starts?
Guest gladdo Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 whats wrong with pigeon racing today ???? mmmm ;ots of answers there but when people moan about birds they have bought no good ... im very good friends with one of the best pigeon racers in the world (and results have proven that )and he even tells me there is more bad eggs than good ones ... in other words nobody can be certain that because you pay this amount for a bird... but id say its all bad management even myself in that matter buying birds everywhere but ive started to learn how correct he is !!!! its all management ...man management and if you make a mistake once you learn , otherwise you aint a good manager...yes we all take chances but its those that make the right choices over and over again that are the very good ones ..... mikey (dublin , ireland ) ... wish you all a merry xmas and happy new year by the way !!!! mikey ...
PIGEONMAN_SEAN Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 its not the pigeons its ppl in it
Guest spin cycle Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 IMO the problem is that they want to win so badly that they try to buy succses. this manifests itself in two ways firstly through keeping and breeding ever larger teams of pigeons and secondly by being willing to pay for the latest ' winning ' strain ,rather than work with what they've got. there is no 'silver bullet' to the problem. what will happen is that the decline will countinue until there isn't the money to be made....those of us left will race smaller teams in more specialist clubs...then the sport may start to recover.
Novice Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 IMO the problem is that they want to win so badly that they try to buy succses. this manifests itself in two ways firstly through keeping and breeding ever larger teams of pigeons and secondly by being willing to pay for the latest ' winning ' strain ,rather than work with what they've got. there is no 'silver bullet' to the problem. what will happen is that the decline will countinue until there isn't the money to be made....those of us left will race smaller teams in more specialist clubs...then the sport may start to recover. This is exactly the same as today's professional football teams.Each trying to outdo each other by paying more for players and paying higher wages. The pot of gold is insufficient to finance this so they are in trouble.
dwh Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 flip side to whatsgood about p, racing waiting for favourite /best pigeon when its late
Guest spin cycle Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 This is exactly the same as today's professional football teams.Each trying to outdo each other by paying more for players and paying higher wages. The pot of gold is insufficient to finance this so they are in trouble. good comment and i agree
dwh Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 good comment and i agree DID'NT WORK 4 MARK HUGHES
rubber duck Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 cant see any 1 holding a gun to any 1s head telling them to buy pigeons
mark croker Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 People that cant lose, if they dont win every week they give up,, they blame the birds and the transport and the position of the loft, When what they need to do is look in the mirror :-/
Guest spin cycle Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 DID'NT WORK 4 MARK HUGHES i think we're talking in general terms really. yes hughes got sacked but with his contract paid up he's laughing...thats the point the club will throw money at the situation to try and 'win'. to get back on topic, money doesn't ensure succses...and backyard fanciers win races....but the notion is that you need to send & spend big to have a chance and this 'need' is driving people out. in the end we are talking opinions and this just happens to be mine.
dwh Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 cant see any 1 holding a gun to any 1s head telling them to buy pigeons you got invest ave to have bring a cross in or they become to inbred so unless you got mates who ave good birds you eventually lose itality
dwh Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 tray bros are two of the best flyers in ne england nd they don'tthro big money at pigeons they (like the man said earlier)invest wisely and know what to do with them
dai pigeon Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH PIGEON RACING TODAY IS WITHOUT A DOUBT ,THE B.O.P PROBLEM,THEY DONT MIND IF YOU PAY £5 OR £5,000 FOR A BIRD,THEY WILL STILL KILL THEM,IF THIS PROBLEM ISNT SOLVED SOON,THIER WONT BE MANY FANCIERS LEFT TO BUY PIGEONS,ANYWAY!, MERRY XMAS.TO ALL ON PIGEON BASICS :)
budgie Posted December 23, 2009 Author Report Posted December 23, 2009 I think the thread is written from a political perspective on selling pigeons, by a person who himself buys pigeons and is therefore a driving part of 'the problem' he perceives as being wrong with pigeon racing today.. If it serves a specific purpose in their own loft, people will pay what they can afford for a bird they think is worth paying that amount of money for. After all we buy in pigeons in an attempt to improve our gene pool, and up our performances year on year, in our chosen competitive field. If we succeed, its money well spent. IB ? Think what you like it will not get any better until the true value of the racing pigeon gets back to reality,and when some dealers stop trying to con fellow fanciers with useless birds for a Kings Ransom.
DOVEScot Posted December 23, 2009 Report Posted December 23, 2009 Mick Its true that the internet is used to sell pigeons without having to place them in some hand. My first few purchases from the internet more very disappointing and now i dont buy unless i handle it or its from someone i trust. In terms of tax, i pay it on every penny i make as an auctioneer, as you say thats trading, same as if i sell a pigeon behalf of someone in a private or open treaty, however as a pigeon fancier if i sell a few of my own birds (i rarely do) then i am funding my hobby. Stuart If every fancier stopped buying from Non-fanciers (and there are plenty) i believe the sport would be a better place all round!!!! I sell a few birds as i needed new lofts and pigeons when i re-started and now that they are built hopefully i have some extra to send to the bigger races, with more pools and buy better pigeons. Since 2004 every penny ive earned from pigeons have gone back into the sport in one way or another. I really believe pigeon racing is a great sport, ive played rugby, travelled the world and have a good career however i wouldnt be who i am if it wasnt for pigeon racing and the great men ive met along the way. What we need to do is talk the sport up not down, it has alot to offer. Stuart Stuart Honey ;D We all have a pot that we fund our living on and that includes our hobbies. You make a living out of selling pigeons and personally I don't care but it is a fact, whether it funds your lifestyle or not. You can afford the luxury of only buying pigeons you can handle or from someone you trust but just because others can't does not mean they wrong just different. We all have to fund our hobby, some can only just afford seed at times never mind a zillion pound pigeon so for them affording your class of pigeon is not an option for them You donate to the site and I am sure a lot are very grateful but you do benefit from sales to members as well and quite rightly so. If I donate of any other fancier donates a £30 pigeon and manages to sell 20 on the site because of it we are no different, just the percentages are a lot higher Every sport in Britain is or has been in trouble at some time or other and they all face the same problems, they either muddle along, dwindle away till its too late or have a wake up call and get off their butts and shoot the high horse which tramples on or eats away at the grass roots They need you but you need them is the only way partnerships survive and you can add that to any part of life JMO of course ;D
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