RPRA strike again!

[Guest lenwadebob]

Gosh what a palaver! Anyone would think thay have batter and stole a ole ladies purse.

So what if it has gone up a mite. It's called inflation! Seems to me like the very chuntering that keeps and has kept us living in the world of Dot! Strueth. Membership of a golf course goes up £50 a throw, and £3 a round! Tell me just what past time, sport etc.  -Photography  perhaps for a spell  ... but that to has now long gone.

Yep sorry. I forgot going to watch a football match eh!  ;D Let alone being a fan or support a team!  The prices go up every season, shirts etc. and the cost of transport getting them.

Here we are moaning about possibly a five per year- 2p flipping pence per week strueth. A membership.In real terms all feds should charge £160 and give you free birdage and RPR Then clubs would just have raised the cost of Secs’ fee, and postage / phone calls etc. And probably knock prize money on the head to boot. Would be a lot fiercer and better racing for starters. More challenging, more birds competing, and then more would send to the longer Fed races, which they don’t now because of costs etc.

Gosh about time the Nationals did likewise, right across the board where ‘All’ section money would be divided equally between every section regardless of birds sent ...

Gosh I bet the goal post could then be altered for better sections and better merits to be flown for as to now the weaker Locations are just fodder to bolster the better location lofts. Wouldn’t need to move lofts even lol. Won't happen! Why? Well because many would work it out that they will actually save £10 by sending just 6 or so each week.... which is about what many can afford. So 4p a week is too much again strueth!

 

And what about the very people we are trying to encourage into the sport, you know Roland, the young kids..........

Anyway its NOT all about the increase, it's about a total lack of communication by the RPRA to it's members, a dictatorship, and their inability to act on what the membership want, proven by the amount of recommendations made by educated, knowledgeable people, that are simply brushed under the carpet.

As has already been written, Officers are elected to Council, before meetings, in an underhanded manner, and should someone be fortunate enough to be elected to office, who is a new face, they are treated with contempt if they make a suggestion that we all know would benefit the future of the sport.

It's all about who you know, not what you know. OLD BOYS BRIGADE, ROTTEN TO THE CORE.

[Guest]

thanks for youre comments Frank.       andy.

[Guest frank dooman]

 

And what about the very people we are trying to encourage into the sport, you know Roland, the young kids..........

Anyway its NOT all about the increase, it's about a total lack of communication by the RPRA to it's members, a dictatorship, and their inability to act on what the membership want, proven by the amount of recommendations made by educated, knowledgeable people, that are simply brushed under the carpet.

As has already been written, Officers are elected to Council, before meetings, in an underhanded manner, and should someone be fortunate enough to be elected to office, who is a new face, they are treated with contempt if they make a suggestion that we all know would benefit the future of the sport.

It's all about who you know, not what you know. OLD BOYS BRIGADE, ROTTEN TO THE CORE.

 

your 100% correct bob where i came from ive not been long enough in the rpra to comment if its the same but no reason to believe its not the hard part is trying to correct it

[Guest stevie-b]

the sport is dwindeling with less members so the shortfall has to come from somewhere it no like yhey r charging hundreds to transfer birds ;)

[pjc]

Spot on Bob, we struggle now to get kids involved but put another upfront cost before them or there parents and you've lost them!

Its not the cost as has been said its the principal and the way they have done it!

Somebody has realised that by doubling membership fees this years many fanciers have dropped sillent partners so there income will not rise through doubling membership costs so they have now doubled transfers etc to offset what they had forecast but when are the members going to see some benefits?

[HOMER49]

 

we done what some are talking about and considered both options open to us go it alone or joining another union there was no doubt in my mind the timeing of our situation forced us to go with joining the rpra it was much easeier there are lots of things to consider and they will all take time to orginise i  would say up to 2 years hard work and slowly build up the new union but be sure of one big thing any union wont take this lying down some of the dirty tricks you wouldnt believe from failing to report  lost birds to withholding loft loc to make up bans etc it will all happen and whats to say that even if yous were sucessfull that in 5/10 years you wont be in the same pos . when the ones in charge think they are biggar than the men who put them there the important thing is to put in place things to prevent this from happening again yes the hard part is trying to change the way certain things are done the very people who you are against wont let that happen the only way to change that is for honest fanciers to get themself into thease pos in good no,s to make a differance but do yous have the patience for that? now as i have said i have no gripe with the rpra but ive not been on the riecieving end of a wrong doing the only thing i didnt agree with was the way they delt with the ets situation i thought all members should have been balloted but iam very happy with them wait till you are involved with  a union that realy couldnt give a toss then you will know what you have

 

Hi

Very nice speech but don't forget that YOU are one of the people that tried to destroy the SHU and when you failed

run of to the RPRA

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[Guest frank dooman]

i was allways tought to plug the holes before you top up the barrel so raiseing cost of this and that is only ever be a stop gap if the holes still there it will run back out

[Guest frank dooman]

 

Hi

Very nice speech but don't forget that YOU are one of the people that tried to destroy the SHU and when you failed

run of to the RPRA

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

now you see what i mean nutters like this thats what you will face ;)

[HOMER49]

 

now you see what i mean nutters like this thats what you will face ;)

 

Hi

At the SHU agm I get the chance to vote on all aspects of the running

of the SHU

SO WHO'S THE NUTTER :P :P

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[Guest Silverwings]

pigeonbasics homing union ??? .........what we waiting for let our mods run it ...........ray

[Guest lenwadebob]

And the very fact that there is a wide difference of opinion between us, means that the future is bleak. Forget about the politics, personal differences, and bickering. Lets all be united in the one common goal. We all love pigeons and we should all be united in our aim to keep pigeon racing as a hobby for generations to come. OR HAVE I MISSED THE PLOT  :-/

[Guest bakes]

to me if i have to do it to race my birds so be its like  the new combi rings have kicked up a fuss but one of these things we have to put up with if we wont to race if im right was £1.50 a transfer last time i transfered a few ybs i bought in doesnt bother me if that means i can race them under my name thats the main thing think we have to agree the rpra have tryed to move on some people like it some dont but if we kept being in 19 0 blob how can we make the sport even bigger and stronger at the moment and the way it is going we wont have no raceing in 10 years time if it keeps going the way it is everyone has got to rember that the cost to record every detail cost now with the computer databases the days of file o faxs in paper folders have gone its all technical now days.

 

all the best.

[Roland]

Our kids fleece the parents for £'s every day. new Playstaion games..... A play station alone would pay for their season. Designer gear, hundredsa of pounds. And to be perfectly honest Pigeons would be their cheapest sport. Even playing for the local footy team is a cost few can afford, YET do!

  Gosh a £5 year tag is lauhghable to the kids - I.e. Parents. many spend more than that a day on junk, Latest Tec Phones. And on and on we could go! Too expensive for the kids, get real! Besides the only thing we can do for them is to instill a liking for our game same as we got! Then hope after they have settled down and have a huge morgage and  dependant kids etc. etc. the wife allows their feeble justification of spending a little on their own hobby and NOT every thing on the kids!

[Roland]

You having a laff ent yer! Kids can't afford it. Gosh it because of the amount spent every day on the kids MANY can't afford to take up the sport. Gosh the postage stamps rise of cost alone will take up a ot of that rise. Get real, just what is getting cheaper each year?  :-/

Nothing, the kids are first second and last and mostly expensive parnts 'Wanna be me's'!

Our kids fleece the parents for £'s every day. A new Playstaion, games..... A play station alone would pay for their birds and season alone. Designer gear, hundreds of pounds. Video etc. etc. And to be perfectly honest Pigeons would be their' cheapest sport, and most worthwhile, but you won't convince ma of that, and kids will be too busy texting etc. to clean out a cage for starters.. Even playing for the local football team is a cost few can afford, YET do!

  Gosh a £5 year tag is lauhghable to the kids - I.e. Parents. many spend more than that a day on junk, Latest Tec Phones. And on and on we could go! Too expensive for the kids, get real! Besides the only thing we can do for them is to instill a liking for our game same as we got! Then hope after they have settled down and have a huge morgage and  dependant kids etc. etc. the wife allows their feeble justification of spending a little on their own hobby and NOT every thing on the kids!

[showman]

I think the R.P.R.A should be scrapped and made from the membership or at least run by a buisness man to improve racing in the U.K  

 

I have been thinking along these lines for some time now, but what way would the normal rank and file behave ? If an organisation is formed which has the fanciers well being at heart, and is at the cost of the RPRA...so be it !! JMO

 

 

[Roland]

Yes Bob, like few others you have lost the plot when you bring up cheapness for the kids. That in it's self is a cheap shot and to my reckoning not very well thought out.  We have to pay. What we have save this past month on the price of corn coming down alone more than pays any increase the RPRA have put up, indeed many folds.

My 11 year old grand daughter costs more than a £5 a day, then her football, her Gymnatics, phone, play station etc. etc the 4 year old is costing 3 pound a day. Then ....

A fiver eh! Get real it is nothing, and you, we all know it. Just a needless and silly moan that we are apt to do and are past masters at it I think!

[VMS]

Think some fanciers really need a reality check,They are willing to spend a fortune on medication THAT they don't really need.They are willing to spend a small fortune on birds that will NOT enhance the stock they already have.But when it comes too a relevantly small sum of cash, for one of the most important components and infrastructure of the sport in general they become conscientious of the costs.Were is the consistency here,expletive remove. :-/

[Chris Little]

For gods sake... no wonder the sport is dwindling

 

A few pence increase on transfers / rings / subs etc and there is a mutiny

 

Road tax, petrol increases every year , do we stop driving... of course we dont

 

Just get a grip, get on with it and enjoy what time we have let in this sport

[Guest stb-]

For gods sake... no wonder the sport is dwindling

 

A few pence increase on transfers / rings / subs etc and there is a mutiny

 

Road tax, petrol increases every year , do we stop driving... of course we dont

 

Just get a grip, get on with it and enjoy what time we have let in this sport

 

in the last few year the price of a bag of good feed has went from £7.50  to £14

 

and dropped to 20kg backs , wasnt a mass kick up with that , a few bob aint gonna make much diff

 

Any way how often do you have to tranfer birds unless you sell a load , then you can afford to pay it anyway  JMO

[Guest frank dooman]

buy less rubbish and it wont cost you nothing

[robbiedoo.]

For gods sake... no wonder the sport is dwindling

 

A few pence increase on transfers / rings / subs etc and there is a mutiny

 

Road tax, petrol increases every year , do we stop driving... of course we dont

 

Just get a grip, get on with it and enjoy what time we have let in this sport

 

good post chris but some fanceirs are blind and dont think anything of buying expensive products for pumping in to there doos and its doing more harm than good to their birds but they dont see it that way .money for the increase in rings and things like that you get moan moan moan . money for this antibiotic that this fanceir uses money no problem then why i dont know .

[OLDYELLOW]

well the thing is this the transfer cost was introduced to pay for the new computer systems and database , thats fine as members we understand that things cant go on year after year , but instead of saying well the computers are now paid for were going to stop this as unfair to charge the members who are paying there fees . But no hey we can make money and raise the transfer fee . Why do you think this is the case ? well not so long ago the R.P.R.A decided to charge each member of a partnership the union fees instead of one fee on the assumption that they could probably double there revinue , however there are those out there that fly in partnerships and carry there deceased partners names or father and son when father passed on , so alot of these have decided be cheaper to change there flying names , so this is a knee jerk reaction to hike costs up , rather than have transfer cost why not just charge a representative fee for membership ???? If we let them hike the prices up unchallenged then its a dictatorship , we the members have paid for the computers the database time to say no to the hike in transfers because they've brought it in under false pretences , i have no problem with paying more as buy very few birds so wont cost me alot at all , but could easily avoided by paying more in membership fees , then no need for charging twice for what we should be paying for by our membership anyway

[Guest karl adams]

how many members short this year in the rpra  was it not said about 2000

[Kyleakin Lofts]

2 stamps @ 35p aprox = 70p.  2 envelopes @ 5p approx = 10p  1 photocopy @ 7p approx  2 mins of time at £6 / hour = 20p approx  Total = £1.07 approx  Â£2-00 transfer gives 93p profit approx less overheads for lighting, heating insurance, etc, some of which must be allocated to work entailed in transfer costs.

Probably some profit is being made, but not extortionate, so what you are talking about is a principle.  You feel hard done by in some manner, but are you really.  You may feel misrepresented in some manner, but are you really.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

I am speaking from ignorance of the facts, but in Scotland we have the SNFC under the auspices of the SHU and the "breakaway" SNRPC under the auspices of the RPRA, I believe.  Result, a feeling of devalued National Racing, bickering, smaller liberations, harder work for the pigeons.  I stand to be corrected and am perhaps oversimplifying the situation, but my opinion, and it is likely to be worthless, given I am a new start with minimal knowledge from some 40 years ago, is that pigeon men seem to have lost the plot in many ways.  I noticed in my previous hobby, dog breeding and showing, that because people wanted to win all the time, they took offence when you discussed there exhibit from ringside, not in a malicious way, but from an educational standpoint.  As in dogs,  we breed our birds to inprove our stock.  In pigeons this is proved by results.  We are not racing against fellow members, although it is pleasing to have the best result in the club, fed national, but we are racing against our previous results to prove our breeding plans are working and we are indeed having the desired effect on our stock.