RPRA strike again!

[Guest lenwadebob]

So what if all Feds/Amals went there own way, ignored the R.P.R.A. and had their own set of rules etc., What could they do about it? Nothing as they can't and wont go about banning every member, club, Federation, Amal, Combine or National. More than they dare do. The membership is the RPRA not the fat cats who take the cream. To hell with protocol, let us dictate to the R.P.R.A. not them dictating to us.

[pjc]

a few years ago I seem to recall that the NFC, CSCFC, BICC formed a confederation with the aim of going it alone, what happened to it?

[OLDYELLOW]

 

Not so OLDYELLOW, there’s absolutely no reason why a federation cant race under their own set of rules. What could the RPRA do about it if they did!

 

feds do have there own rules but still have to adhere to union rules , what could union do is suspend them ?

[OLDYELLOW]

a few years ago I seem to recall that the NFC, CSCFC, BICC formed a confederation with the aim of going it alone, what happened to it?

 

it would be a good idea for the big clubs and all feds to join together to form a new union this way it would be represented by fanciers not the 'old boys brigade'

[pjc]

it got to be the way to go but doughbt it ever will!

[Tony C]

 

feds do have there own rules but still have to adhere to union rules , what could union do is suspend them ?

 

The fed cant be suspended from an organisation it doesn't belong to. This isn't meant to be a smart answer. You use the word 'suspend', this is how the RPRA rule........... fanciers fear of suspension.

[Guest lenwadebob]

 

feds do have there own rules but still have to adhere to union rules , what could union do is suspend them ?

 

And will that stop them racing, Mark, If they were determined enough, I think not. After all they are not breaking the laws of the land. Unless fanciers make a stand, we are going to continue to be ripped of and year by year, by the very organisation, who we pay to represent us and serve us for our benefit, will be responsible for the downfall of our hobby. Where has anyone ever seen anything from the R.P.R.A that says "Right Lads and Lasses what do you want us to do for you" nowhere, because it never happens. Its a DICTATORSHIP. You vill doo az ve say ya, or you vil be caputs

[OLDYELLOW]

 

The fed cant be suspended from an organisation it doesn't belong to. This isn't meant to be a smart answer. You use the word 'suspend', this is how the RPRA rule........... fanciers fear of suspension.

 

if feds did this then there would be chaos sites have to be booked so do ferrys , how would birds be able to race if have no rings and any new rings wouldnt be regonised  :-/

[pjc]

 

if feds did this then there would be chaos sites have to be booked so do ferrys , how would birds be able to race if have no rings and any new rings wouldnt be regonised  :-/

 

Anybody can approach a site for permission to liberate, anybody can book a Ferry in advance, anybody can use distance calculation software or GPS, rings can be ordered direct with manufacturers and as long as they were issued with a register kept any strays could be repatriated, is it realy that complicated?

[OLDYELLOW]

 

Anybody can approach a site for permission to liberate, anybody can book a Ferry in advance, anybody can use distance calculation software or GPS, rings can be ordered direct with manufacturers and as long as they were issued with a register kept any strays could be repatriated, is it realy that complicated?

 

it could be difficult to get on a site if alot of fed turned up at a particular site , all im saying is if you were breeding birds with a new union ring then it wouldnt be recognised if sold to a different union flyer , but obviously if buying a winner wouldnt mean a great deal , and young birds could be rung with buyers rings  anyway

[OLDYELLOW]

it got to be the way to go but doughbt it ever will!

 

well i think the only way is for the individual to change , if a shadow union was formed and gained support by members as individuals , then this forms a union once theres enough members then feds and clubs and nation clubs could be affiliated then all member would have to be members to fly then staff and offices could be sought , im sure if this route was taken it wouldnt be long before the new union could employ the staff at the R.P.R.A who actualy do a great job under difficult circumstances

[Fair Play]

The RPRA seems to be Dictatorial in its attitude to the members not democratic as it should be.All members of regions and the top jobs should be done by means of an electoral ballot then if the incumbent of the post was not performing then he could be democratically removed, if it is good enough for the National unions then it should be good enough for the RPRA. I wonder if they know we are still in the grip of a recession and vast unemployment

I hope they will have the decency to curtail any wage increases, no members no RPRA

[pjc]

The RPRA seems to be Dictatorial in its attitude to the members not democratic as it should be.All members of regions and the top jobs should be done by means of an electoral ballot then if the incumbent of the post was not performing then he could be democratically removed, if it is good enough for the National unions then it should be good enough for the RPRA. I wonder if they know we are still in the grip of a recession and vast unemployment

I hope they will have the decency to curtail any wage increases, no members no RPRA

 

Its the same old problem, members don't bother going to meetings at there own clubs let alone region! So the same few go to region, when the AGM comes up the committees been decided before anybody votes because those on the committee either make sure there mates are there to vote or there replacement will have backers in place.

When it then come to council delegates again its the same old faces, anybody new or outspoken has got no chance!

 

A break away would be the only way to force there hand or nobody paying there union subscriptions until it became democratic!

[hepste]

 

There is very little choice, have you ever tried to get onto region and be an elected council delegate?

If you don't already belong to the oldboys network you havn't got a cat in hells chance and that where the changes have to be made!

 

But surely the region are only there to represent the views of it's members, ie is the clubs.  If eg the clubs don't vote for something, then the region has little option but to represent those views at any Council meeting.  All these things are voted on, and all is minuted.  It is only the apathy of people who don't attend, and don't use their vote, that causes upset.  You know the old saying [adapted] - For the unwise to prosper, it only takes the wise people to do nothing!

[Tony C]

 

But surely the region are only there to represent the views of it's members, ie is the clubs.  If eg the clubs don't vote for something, then the region has little option but to represent those views at any Council meeting.  All these things are voted on, and all is minuted.  It is only the apathy of people who don't attend, and don't use their vote, that causes upset.  You know the old saying [adapted] - For the unwise to prosper, it only takes the wise people to do nothing!

 

Something could be passed at club, fed, region and the RPRA AGM but the emergency committee have the power to overturn this decision................ and they do.

[Wizzer]

And we all wonder where all the young members are?

This sport/Hobby is getting to expensive for all.

 

I might take up Train spotting, Only need to buy a Anorak.

[gooner]

And we all wonder where all the young members are?

This sport/Hobby is getting to expensive for all.

 

I might take up Train spotting, Only need to buy a Anorak.

 

you would need a seat as well cos the trains are normally late or cancelled so you would have to wait along time ;D ;D

[Guest lenwadebob]

 

you would need a seat as well cos the trains are normally late or cancelled so you would have to wait along time ;D ;D

 

But at least they are on the right track, and do deliver the goods eventually  ;D ;D ;D

[pjc]

 

But at least they are on the right track, and do deliver the goods eventually  ;D ;D ;D

 

;D ;D ;D

[Guest frank dooman]

 

Anyone can opt to join any union however they will still be goverened by the one that covers there area as will be racing under R.P.R.A rules and the federations are operating under these rules, theres nothing more than id like to see the NEHU and unc cover my area , but they dont

 

thats not true iam in scotland and not goverened by the shu you are gov. by the union you are in but be very carefull you are right oldyellow you have to be reconised as a union and that wont happen when we had the balls to do something about it we were dissadents scum etc just for standing up for self and bevieve me the rpra is heaven compared to where i came from

[Guest frank dooman]

oh my god yous sound just like us 5 year ago  we have been through this   ;) ;)

[Guest]

oh my god yous sound just like us 5 year ago  we have been through this   ;) ;)

 

and what was the best thing to do Frank??      andy.

[Roland]

Gosh what a palaver! Anyone would think thay have batter and stole a ole ladies purse.

So what if it has gone up a mite. It's called inflation! Seems to me like the very chuntering that keeps and has kept us living in the world of Dot! Strueth. Membership of a golf course goes up £50 a throw, and £3 a round! Tell me just what past time, sport etc.  -Photography  perhaps for a spell  ... but that to has now long gone.

Yep sorry. I forgot going to watch a football match eh!  ;D Let alone being a fan or support a team!  The prices go up every season, shirts etc. and the cost of transport getting them.

Here we are moaning about possibly a five per year- 2p flipping pence per week strueth. In real terms all feds should charge £160 and give you free birdage and RPRA membership. Then clubs would just have raised the cost of Secs’ fee, and postage / phone calls etc. And probably knock prize money on the head to boot. Would be a lot fiercer and better racing for starters. More challenging, more birds competing, and then more would send to the longer Fed races, which they don’t now because of costs etc.

Gosh about time the Nationals did likewise, right across the board where ‘All’ section money would be divided equally between every section regardless of birds sent ...

Gosh I bet the goal post could then be altered for better sections and better merits to be flown for as to now the weaker Locations are just fodder to bolster the better location lofts. Wouldn’t need to move lofts even lol. Won't happen! Why? Well because many would work it out that they will actually save £10 by sending just 6 or so each week.... which is about what many can afford. So 4p a week is too much again strueth!

[Taylorsloft]

£1 per ring card

 

shu used to be 50p a ring card

[Guest frank dooman]

 

and what was the best thing to do Frank??      andy.

 

we done what some are talking about and considered both options open to us go it alone or joining another union there was no doubt in my mind the timeing of our situation forced us to go with joining the rpra it was much easeier there are lots of things to consider and they will all take time to orginise i  would say up to 2 years hard work and slowly build up the new union but be sure of one big thing any union wont take this lying down some of the dirty tricks you wouldnt believe from failing to report  lost birds to withholding loft loc to make up bans etc it will all happen and whats to say that even if yous were sucessfull that in 5/10 years you wont be in the same pos . when the ones in charge think they are biggar than the men who put them there the important thing is to put in place things to prevent this from happening again yes the hard part is trying to change the way certain things are done the very people who you are against wont let that happen the only way to change that is for honest fanciers to get themself into thease pos in good no,s to make a differance but do yous have the patience for that? now as i have said i have no gripe with the rpra but ive not been on the riecieving end of a wrong doing the only thing i didnt agree with was the way they delt with the ets situation i thought all members should have been balloted but iam very happy with them wait till you are involved with  a union that realy couldnt give a toss then you will know what you have