eagle79 Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 what do you think of louella birds as stock pigeons I could look at the pedigree cards 24/7 they fascinate me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billt Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 And me, I usually buy mine there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnQuinn Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 what do you think of louella birds as stock pigeons I could look at the pedigree cards 24/7 they fascinate me Best man tae ask is Watty Boswell, he'll give you an insight to Louella that most of us couldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymac Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I found that the children off the Louella stock were producing the birds to fly more so than the original stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I found that the children off the Louella stock were producing the birds to fly more so than the original stock spot on m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle79 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 ive bought some waxas of them cheap enough only fault cocks seem to be a bit flighty I even turn of coronation street to study pedigrees glass of wine pigeon heaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle79 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 ive bought some waxas of them cheap enough only fault cocks seem to be a bit flighty I even turn of coronation street to study pedigrees glass of wine pigeon heaven,one more thingwhen you go to other big stud sites the set up does not have a look in with louella set up pigeons seem to be double the price would you agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gladiator lofts Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Louella pay good money for good birds and everyone says the apple doesn't fall far from the tree I feel like anything the closer to source the better that is not to say that birds generations away will produce the goods but if you can by children or gchildren from louella you wont get a better deal pedigree wise but pedigrees don't win races the birds do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 i have nothing to gain by saying this only thanks and credit where is due to louella i have now bred over 80 firsts club and section fed winners and 28 birds to score in nationals all from louella pigeons winning from 60 to 538 miles i have given this advice to anyone starting up or that is not happy with what they have buy the six or ten youngbirds from louella dont race them dont even let them out and get your self some feeders and breed as many out them as you can 8 10 or 12 off each pair and train the youngbirds hard and race them hard when you get a winner stop it and put it in your stock loft there not all good birds even though the breeding is fantastic and this is the only way to find them out i also won with 3 other families before i got the jan aarden pigeons 14 years ago busschaerts jannsens and van reets all won races and did not cost a fortune when you get a winner then go back to louella and buy something of the same line but farther up the tree and put it to your winner hope this helps you and any novice atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle79 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 great advice walter boswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle79 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 another point a lot of flyers have 1 or 2 good pigeons from may be 60 birds in there loft they will not sell you young from these cheaply will they ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle79 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 does louella hant and race pigeons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulkie Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 i have nothing to gain by saying this only thanks and credit where is due to louella i have now bred over 80 firsts club and section fed winners and 28 birds to score in nationals all from louella pigeons winning from 60 to 538 miles i have given this advice to anyone starting up or that is not happy with what they have buy the six or ten youngbirds from louella dont race them dont even let them out and get your self some feeders and breed as many out them as you can 8 10 or 12 off each pair and train the youngbirds hard and race them hard when you get a winner stop it and put it in your stock loft there not all good birds even though the breeding is fantastic and this is the only way to find them out i also won with 3 other families before i got the jan aarden pigeons 14 years ago busschaerts jannsens and van reets all won races and did not cost a fortune when you get a winner then go back to louella and buy something of the same line but farther up the tree and put it to your winner hope this helps you and any novice atbAgree with you 100% Walter but I found it was the grand children of the ones I purchased that scored And at the end of the day you get what you pay for ,the closer to the tree you go the more they will cost But you have to pay within your means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle79 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Louella pay good money for good birds and everyone says the apple doesn't fall far from the tree I feel like anything the closer to source the better that is not to say that birds generations away will produce the goods but if you can by children or gchildren from louella you wont get a better deal pedigree wise but pedigrees don't win races the birds do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle79 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 is there not a saying though that form is temporary but class is permanent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Agree with you 100% Walter but I found it was the grand children of the ones I purchased that scored And at the end of the day you get what you pay for ,the closer to the tree you go the more they will cost But you have to pay within your means.agree wullie and you can lose the plot i started with the 120 pounds for six and won with them then bought birds bred closer to the champions as i saved to get them till i was paying a months wages for each one but i was lucky they bred winners straight away for me but if you dont put the work into them your wasting your money no matter how much you pay for them there are plenty good birds out there that can win but just not being given the chance to shine because the guy looking after them is not prepared to put the work in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 is there not a saying though that form is temporary but class is permanent?yip and so is blood eagle does louella hant and race pigeonsnot anymore m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 another point a lot of flyers have 1 or 2 good pigeons from may be 60 birds in there loft they will not sell you young from these cheaply will they ?correct m8 if you are prepaired to pay you can buy anything from louella or any stud for that matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 there are guys that race louellas pigeon out for them, to test there new strains, to give them an idea of there best distances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 First bit of advice don't be looking at pedigrees there a waste of time I'll look at them after the season is over too see what's breeding and what's not too see what's earned a perch in my stock loft A good pedigree is one that breeds winners Studs no doubt sell good birds there no doubting that if I was starting again id buy the rounds off peoples widdowhood cocks of course they have to be wining even if you were to ask to buy a round of eggs and have a few paired up at home ready to sit the eggs you would get them cheap as chips and I bet in a lot of cases you would get birds that you would not get that cheap if you were to buy them as young ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Owen Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I have bought birds from Luella in the past but I have never done much good with them. I think that the birds from Luella have brilliant birds back in their breeding but there are generations of untested birds by the time you get their progeny on the road which makes the whole thing a matter of luck. All breeding must be a matter of breeding from the best birds you can and testing the youngsters on the road. As any geneticist will tell you all selection is through progeny testing and careful selection. People often say that untried birds can breed winners and it is a fact that some do but what you are never told is how many untried birds breed rubbish. I believe that the main reasons why many people fail to develop a team of good pigeons is because they insist on breeding from either untried birds or from everything and anything that happens to be in the loft. This rather crazy idea is often followed by the practice of breeding latebred birds which are never given a proper chance to learn to become racing pigeons. I am sure that if you buy a good number of birds from Luella and test them on the road you will find some that would be worth breeding from, but that could apply to anywhere you obtain birds.If I had to start again I would buy tried and tested birds from Entire Clearance Sales and breed lots of youngsters from 10 or so hens mated to the cocks on a Bull System. You will find that some hens will not suite the cock and give you nothing but rubbish while other hens will breed youngsters well worth their perch. After that it is a question of breeding from the best so that you can have a gradual and continual improvement as you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I have bought birds from Luella in the past but I have never done much good with them. I think that the birds from Luella have brilliant birds back in their breeding but there are generations of untested birds by the time you get their progeny on the road which makes the whole thing a matter of luck. All breeding must be a matter of breeding from the best birds you can and testing the youngsters on the road. As any geneticist will tell you all selection is through progeny testing and careful selection. People often say that untried birds can breed winners and it is a fact that some do but what you are never told is how many untried birds breed rubbish. I believe that the main reasons why many people fail to develop a team of good pigeons is because they insist on breeding from either untried birds or from everything and anything that happens to be in the loft. This rather crazy idea is often followed by the practice of breeding latebred birds which are never given a proper chance to learn to become racing pigeons. I am sure that if you buy a good number of birds from Luella and test them on the road you will find some that would be worth breeding from, but that could apply to anywhere you obtain birds.If I had to start again I would buy tried and tested birds from Entire Clearance Sales and breed lots of youngsters from 10 or so hens mated to the cocks on a Bull System. You will find that some hens will not suite the cock and give you nothing but rubbish while other hens will breed youngsters well worth their perch. After that it is a question of breeding from the best so that you can have a gradual and continual improvement as you go. good advice Owen First bit of advice don't be looking at pedigrees there a waste of time I'll look at them after the season is over too see what's breeding and what's not too see what's earned a perch in my stock loft A good pedigree is one that breeds winners Studs no doubt sell good birds there no doubting that if I was starting again id buy the rounds off peoples widdowhood cocks of course they have to be wining even if you were to ask to buy a round of eggs and have a few paired up at home ready to sit the eggs you would get them cheap as chips and I bet in a lot of cases you would get birds that you would not get that cheap if you were to buy them as young ones good advice also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle79 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 First bit of advice don't be looking at pedigrees there a waste of time I'll look at them after the season is over too see what's breeding and what's not too see what's earned a perch in my stock loft A good pedigree is one that breeds winners Studs no doubt sell good birds there no doubting that if I was starting again id buy the rounds off peoples widdowhood cocks of course they have to be wining even if you were to ask to buy a round of eggs and have a few paired up at home ready to sit the eggs you would get them cheap as chips and I bet in a lot of cases you would get birds that you would not get that cheap if you were to buy them as young ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle79 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 am I wrong here breeding be it a carrot horse dog or pigeon is about genes,then you line breed possibly in breed to lock in the ones you want;louella have done this for you then you outcross with another breedof pigeon for vigour if you get the right nick fantastic I believe pure janssen nicks with a lot ofbreeds for example but breeding winner to winner that is not related could be a lottery no ??? but if they are related that's fine you have the locked in genes to carry on your work shoot me down if you need to ive been having my bottle of wine I think I know it all lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle79 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I have bought birds from Luella in the past but I have never done much good with them. I think that the birds from Luella have brilliant birds back in their breeding but there are generations of untested birds by the time you get their progeny on the road which makes the whole thing a matter of luck. All breeding must be a matter of breeding from the best birds you can and testing the youngsters on the road. As any geneticist will tell you all selection is through progeny testing and careful selection. People often say that untried birds can breed winners and it is a fact that some do but what you are never told is how many untried birds breed rubbish. I believe that the main reasons why many people fail to develop a team of good pigeons is because they insist on breeding from either untried birds or from everything and anything that happens to be in the loft. This rather crazy idea is often followed by the practice of breeding latebred birds which are never given a proper chance to learn to become racing pigeons. I am sure that if you buy a good number of birds from Luella and test them on the road you will find some that would be worth breeding from, but that could apply to anywhere you obtain birds.If I had to start again I would buy tried and tested birds from Entire Clearance Sales and breed lots of youngsters from 10 or so hens mated to the cocks on a Bull System. You will find that some hens will not suite the cock and give you nothing but rubbish while other hens will breed youngsters well worth their perch. After that it is a question of breeding from the best so that you can have a gradual and continual improvement as you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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