Drug Tests

[frankdooman]

Last year six birds in Belgium were found to have pain killers in their blood and one with cocaine. 2014 the belgians are going to tighten the drug testing policy.

 

 

There is a Scottish lass sitting not too far from me now must be on the drugs she,s all ways got a sore heed.

[Guest stb-]

Rab is this for real Jesus most of them I can't say never mind what they could be in

yes Frank thats the list and will be added to as time goes on .

[frank-123]

There is a Scottish lass sitting not too far from me now must be on the drugs she,s all ways got a sore heed.

 

Swap her headache tablets !!

[JOHNSEE]

This subject is just Dopey to me and any fancier using any of those substances mentioned previously is nothing but SCUM.

 

 

You may well be correct in what you are saying,but it has been a good topic with plenty of various views put forward,where do you stand should we pursue testing or leave well alone ?......

[JOHNSEE]

Last year six birds in Belgium were found to have pain killers in their blood and one with cocaine. 2014 the belgians are going to tighten the drug testing policy.

 

were these not in short races where they are marked/basketed and liberated in the same day....i.e.very short sprint races?

[Guest stb-]

were these not in short races where they are marked/basketed and liberated in the same day....i.e.very short sprint races?

yes i think this is where the most abuse would come from aswell

[frank-123]

were these not in short races where they are marked/basketed and liberated in the same day....i.e.very short sprint races?

 

Not sure

[MIK]

can i ask what is the SNFC policy on drug testing???..they have to have one if they tested a loft last year.

What id like to know is what determines such a test and what list of substances they test for and what regulations governs these tests(their own or others)??

 

atb

Mick

[Guest chad3646]

can i ask what is the SNFC policy on drug testing???..they have to have one if they tested a loft last year.

What id like to know is what determines such a test and what list of substances they test for and what regulations governs these tests(their own or others)??

 

atb

Mick

 

 

mick dont hold your breath waiting for that answer

[peter pandy]

You may well be correct in what you are saying,but it has been a good topic with plenty of various views put forward,where do you stand should we pursue testing or leave well alone ?......

As a proponent of Long Distance Racing I firmly believe it is impossible for drug misuse over 3 days with a hard 16 hour fly having to continue the next day to complete its journey home that any drugs would be beneficial. I am sure you would have to agree that all muscle would be burnt off if a bird had to increase its wing beat even for a short flight of 6 hours. So as far as I am concerned the SCUM can dope their birds up to their hearts content as they wont be affecting me winning the stupid short / middle distance races that they think will make them a household name.

[JOHNSEE]

As a proponent of Long Distance Racing I firmly believe it is impossible for drug misuse over 3 days with a hard 16 hour fly having to continue the next day to complete its journey home that any drugs would be beneficial. I am sure you would have to agree that all muscle would be burnt off if a bird had to increase its wing beat even for a short flight of 6 hours. So as far as I am concerned the SCUM can dope their birds up to their hearts content as they wont be affecting me winning the stupid short / middle distance races that they think will make them a household name.

 

P.P. I agree with you as regards the long distance races and time spent in panniers etc.Feel you were a bit hard on those fanciers who fly the shorter/middle distance races,many who have the bloodlines and turnout their birds in superfit condition to win from what you call stupid short/middle distance races.It is whatever your preference may be sort of like those that keep show racers and those that prefer the racing pigeon,those that win are respected for their achievements ........

[harry h]

P.P. I agree with you as regards the long distance races and time spent in panniers etc.Feel you were a bit hard on those fanciers who fly the shorter/middle distance races,many who have the bloodlines and turnout their birds in superfit condition to win from what you call stupid short/middle distance races.It is whatever your preference may be sort of like those that keep show racers and those that prefer the racing pigeon,those that win are respected for their achievements ........

 

 

I agree with you 100% Johnsee I think Peter was a bit hard on his fellow fanciers that just

fly sprint and middle distance, doesn't matter if it's short/middle or long distance, a race

is a race and if you enter any race and take a clock you're in it to win it,simples.

[just ask me]

As a proponent of Long Distance Racing I firmly believe it is impossible for drug misuse over 3 days with a hard 16 hour fly having to continue the next day to complete its journey home that any drugs would be beneficial. I am sure you would have to agree that all muscle would be burnt off if a bird had to increase its wing beat even for a short flight of 6 hours. So as far as I am concerned the SCUM can dope their birds up to their hearts content as they wont be affecting me winning the stupid short / middle distance races that they think will make them a household name.

 

 

showing a complete disrespect to fanciers who fly shorter distances ask many in belg who fly Quievrain and what they think of the competition at the shorter distances many have said it was tougher than trying to win on the middle distance or longer after they moved up many of today's middle champions were sprint specialists only in the last 5 to 10 year and are still winning with basically the same family of birds

 

try winning the south road fed in ireland last year i believe had 10,000 birds competing in a race last year they regularly hit 8000 or the might nipa and there plenty more with some of the best fanciers in europe racing in these organizations

 

the competition is fierce and not to be sniffed at far from it why people try to have a go at sprint or middle distance races is beyond me

[JOHNSEE]

BREAKING NEWS......After reading a link kindly sent to me by Frank 123 I did not realize that if you introduce testing the organization must have a threshold limit and only if a bird proves positive above the threshold limit can action be taken.It really is away above my head,apparently this is a safeguard against banned substances in the bird from unknown sources....far too much for me to take in but shows that it is not as straight forward as many believe.......JBC/..

[Lennut Tar]

BREAKING NEWS......After reading a link kindly sent to me by Frank 123 I did not realize that if you introduce testing the organization must have a threshold limit and only if a bird proves positive above the threshold limit can action be taken.It really is away above my head,apparently this is a safeguard against banned substances in the bird from unknown sources....far too much for me to take in but shows that it is not as straight forward as many believe.......JBC/..

 

 

That to me John,in my view is bringing some normality into the issue etc. Now !!!!! we need to find an expert ??? who can decide what that thresh hold may/will be, in regards to our birds type of thing. Let the fun beging

Enjoy.

[JOHNSEE]

That to me John,in my view is bringing some normality into the issue etc. Now !!!!! we need to find an expert ??? who can decide what that thresh hold may/will be, in regards to our birds type of thing. Let the fun beging

Enjoy.

 

I would suggest the best place to start would be the drug testing organization that tested the S.N.F.C. SAMPLES the threshold would depend on when the sample was taken i.e.at basketing for a race or after the race....it is far to complicated for a unqualified person such as myself to really understand.....cheers..JBC/

[JOHNSEE]

That to me John,in my view is bringing some normality into the issue etc. Now !!!!! we need to find an expert ??? who can decide what that thresh hold may/will be, in regards to our birds type of thing. Let the fun beging

[Tony C]

Taken from the RPRA 2013 rulebook

 

 

 

APPENDIX ‘G’

(SEE RULE 199)

PERFORMANCE ENHANCING

DRUGS/SUBSTANCES

1. These rules are drawn up by the

Council of the Royal Pigeon Racing

Association under the powers granted by

virtue of Rule 199.

2. The use in pigeons of the following are

strictly forbidden:

ANABOLIC STEROIDS,

BETAAGONISTS, CORTICO

STERIODS, ANTI-INFLAMMATORY

NON-STEROIDS, OPIATES,

ANALGESICS, PERFORMANCE

ENHANCING STIMULANTS,

SYNTHETIC HORMONES, ANY DRUG

FOUND TO BE PERFORMANCE

ENHANCING PLUS ANY SUBSTANCE

WHICH MAY BE USED IN AN

ATTEMPT TO MASK THE ABOVE.

 

When products of which the composition

is not specified are administered, we

advise fanciers to ask for an attestation

from their pharmacist or vet stating that

the product does not contain forbidden

substances.

3a. In order to detect the above banned

substances, the RPRA is authorized to

take immediate steps, namely for taking of

samples before, during or after the race,

from the lofts or pigeons of its members.

3b. A sample may also be taken from the

containers used to transport the pigeons

from the member’s loft to the marking

station. It is in the interest of every

member to ensure that the container and

its contents is free from any trace of the

substances listed in paragraph 2 of

Appendix G.

4. The collection of samples will be carried

out on the instructions of authorized

officials who are responsible for

organizing the race(s) in which the

pigeon(s) have taken part, or upon the

instructions of the RPRA Council, or

Region concerned.

5. A sample may be taken from a

member’s loft or pigeons as laid down in

paragraph 3b. Only one sample will be

taken for testing. The container will be

sealed and labelled in the presence of the

affiliated member or his nominee. The

container will be sent to the RPRA by the

official referred to in paragraph 4 together

with the appropriate fee. The General

Manager will forward the sample to the

RPRA approved laboratory. Only the

laboratory authorised by the RPRA can

carry out drug testing.

6. Upon receipt of the result the General

Manager shall forward the details in

confidence to the affiliated member or his

nominee, the race organizer and the

Region concerned. Whilst waiting for a

test result, the owner of the suspected

pigeon(s) shall not have any claim to any

prize or title which any of his pigeons may

have achieved. If the resulting test is

negative this restriction will be lifted

immediately.

7. If the result is positive, notification

would be by Recorded Delivery. The

information will also be conveyed in

confidence to the PED Committee.

8. In the case of a clearly positive result of

a test, including those of the first analysis,

all costs shall be borne by the offender.

9. Medical treatment may not be used as

justification should the result prove

positive. Pigeons undergoing medical

treatment with substances containing

those listed in paragraph 2 cannot take

part in races and must not be in a part of

the loft dedicated to racing. In the seven

days following the closure of a race in

which they have taken part, the pigeons

may not be treated with any substance

listed in paragraph 2.

10. A member of the RPRA who is guilty of

breaking these rules will, in the case of a

positive analysis, be suspended with

immediate effect, subject to appeal direct

to the RPRA Council. Such appeal must

be lodged with the General Manager

within 5 days of a positive result. A nonrefundable

appeal fee of £325 must be

paid within the same time frame. This fee

will include the full sample analysis report

provided by the testing laboratory.

Whilst under appeal the member may

continue to compete but any winnings

must be withheld and will follow the final

result of the appeal. Council may delegate

the hearing of the appeal to a

performance enhancing drugs appeal

committee and its decision will be final. If

found guilty under RPRA Rule 199, the

penalties are as laid down; a minimum

period of three years suspension or

expulsion from the RPRA. Any prize(s)

won in the 7 day period prior to the test will

be forfeited.

11. If the owner or his nominee refuses or

impedes the collection of samples, they

will lay themselves open to the penalties

as laid down in RPRA Rule 199, as though

they had been found guilty of using a

substance as laid down in paragraph 2.

12. The owner or his nominee may

demand proof of identity and sight of the

authorization of persons (minimum of two)

who take the samples.

13. Details of how to collect samples are

included with the kit supplied by the

General Manager. All charges involved

will be given on application to The

Reddings.

14. Any member of the RPRA who is

found to have aided and abetted any other

person, either actively or passively, in the

administration of performance enhancing

drugs, or attempts to disguise their

administration shall be deemed guilty and

will be dealt with under article 10.

[philg50]

I took up this subject on the 18th nearly a week ago ,and in a way im sorry because all that its done is opened up a situation of what ifs! .I think the politics of our hobby could overtake the reason we do it ,i think if this comes in its up to the delegates voted in to sort out at top level, they are the people to sort out what can and what cant be used .I think if there is a flyer in your area that has good results its usually down to them putting the time in and having a good team o doos.PS I have just read the above post from the RPRA rule book this surely clarifies a lot does it not, as i see it dont give your birds anything you might be unsure of.

[JOHNSEE]

thanks for that I see that this is from the 2013 rule book....are you aware of any test having been carried out to date ?

[JOHNSEE]

I took up this subject on the 18th nearly a week ago ,and in a way im sorry because all that its done is opened up a situation of what ifs! .I think the politics of our hobby could overtake the reason we do it ,i think if this comes in its up to the delegates voted in to sort out at top level, they are the people to sort out what can and what cant be used .I think if there is a flyer in your area that has good results its usually down to them putting the time in and having a good team o doos.

your probably right about good flyers putting the effort in and having good birds but sadly many fanciers on here dont believe that, they are convinced because their winning week in and week out they must have their birds on some form of banned substance....anyway it has been a good topic and has showed up some interesting points......cheers ..JBC.

[Tony C]

thanks for that I see that this is from the 2013 rule book....are you aware of any test having been carried out to date ?

I believe the negative results from these tests are printed in the Homing World........... the positive ones ??????????/

 

The propositions for 2014 rules have just been voted on hence no 2014 rulebook yet.

 

The London Region of the RPRA are to ask council at their next meeting about the availability of drug testing kits ( I believe the first 50 kits are free then a cost of £7.50 per kit thereafter). Once were in possession of a kit I may be able to give you more info re cost of tests, where tests are carried out etc.

[William Reid]

I took up this subject on the 18th nearly a week ago ,and in a way im sorry because all that its done is opened up a situation of what ifs! .I think the politics of our hobby could overtake the reason we do it ,i think if this comes in its up to the delegates voted in to sort out at top level, they are the people to sort out what can and what cant be used .I think if there is a flyer in your area that has good results its usually down to them putting the time in and having a good team o doos.PS I have just read the above post from the RPRA rule book this surely clarifies a lot does it not, as i see it dont give your birds anything you might be unsure of.

 

Don't be sorry Phil .its been a great topic m8 .

 

Now I know I will have to get a bigger cupboard for my pigeon products :lol: :lol:

[JOHNSEE]

I believe the negative results from these tests are printed in the Homing World........... the positive ones ??????????/

 

The propositions for 2014 rules have just been voted on hence no 2014 rulebook yet.

 

The London Region of the RPRA are to ask council at their next meeting about the availability of drug testing kits ( I believe the first 50 kits are free then a cost of £7.50 per kit thereafter). Once were in possession of a kit I may be able to give you more info re cost of tests, where tests are carried out etc.

 

Cant say that I have seen any test results negative or positive in the B.H.W.

once you get any info please let us on P.B. know......thanks again....JBC/..