Guest maricelbill Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 suggestions for the best heavy middle distance family or line of pigeons at the minute. birds that can go week in and week out at 200 miles to 250 miles. some might say 200 miles is a sprint, and on a good day it is. north road into southern ireland with a lot of races pitched at 200 mls to 250mls. birds fly into the prevailing wind the vast majority of fed races are won in the 1100s. there's a big difference between 5 hours at 1800 and 5 hours at 1100 or 1200. which is the norm week in week out it soon wears them out. any worthwhile thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Bill, the last 5 years or so the very consistent loft of Eric Berkmoes of Brecht, has been extremely consistent in what is described as heavy middle distance in belgium from 500km to 600 km. but his birds are descendants of one of belgiums best quiverain and noyon players Albert Marcellis. I also feel his very underrated pigeon man, especially since his birds win well in other peoples hands also. His Stock loft is made up mainly of sons and daughters of Alberts famous 'Sprint' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demolition man Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Bill How many races are we talking about? Fit pigeons will have no problem week in week out at the veloicity you speak about and even if a few do show a few sign's of ware and tare a weeks rest will put them back in good order. Motivation and feeding are the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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just ask me Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Bill, the last 5 years or so the very consistent loft of Eric Berkmoes of Brecht, has been extremely consistent in what is described as heavy middle distance in belgium from 500km to 600 km. but his birds are descendants of one of belgiums best quiverain and noyon players Albert Marcellis. I also feel his very underrated pigeon man, especially since his birds win well in other peoples hands also. His Stock loft is made up mainly of sons and daughters of Alberts famous 'Sprint' a lot of the top middle distance men now in belg were less than 10 year ago top sprint flyers and they are doing it really with the same base of birds some have even said its easier to win at the light middle and middle than at sprint as its so competitive look at van den bulk this year wiley we spoke about him before he is bringing the completion to a whole new level amazing what he is doing (and i dont have his birds before ppl ask) with his results this year within 5 year he will prob move to middle and still win with the same base of birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest maricelbill Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 that's an interesting answer bernie i'm not sure i'd agree with you 100% though i see where you're coming from. i do feel that certain birds would handle it better than others. i can only go back to my previous time in birds. now look, this isn't a hotbed of sprint fanciers here so i might be miles off, it was ko nipius pigeons doing the damage, and doing the damage over the cream of planet brother too i might add once the program hit the 150 mark. top birds at the moment are without doubt the freddy vandenheede pigeons winning feds at distances they in theory at least have no right to win regularly as they do. or with as many numbers in the top 20. 7 of the 10 old birds will be that distance. similar with yb. they intentionally keep the birds up the country because the fed is 150 miles east to west. an "easy" program they feel gives advantage to clubs on the east due to the prevailing winds. so i see your point and sprint pigeons will have their day . just give what i said some thought because there are many days here when the heavy middle distance type bird will shine. it's a progressive program here too bernie. not like england where you can specialise to a great extent. you can have all the sprints you want. all the specialist and distance clubs you want. here you need a different types of pigeons if you want to be in the running every week. if you concentrate on sprints you're season will be over in may. concentrate on the distance and you'll get one race. am i off track entirely or making any sense at all?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 that's an interesting answer bernie i'm not sure i'd agree with you 100% though i see where you're coming from. i do feel that certain birds would handle it better than others. i can only go back to my previous time in birds. now look, this isn't a hotbed of sprint fanciers here so i might be miles off, it was ko nipius pigeons doing the damage, and doing the damage over the cream of planet brother too i might add once the program hit the 150 mark. top birds at the moment are without doubt the freddy vandenheede pigeons winning feds at distances they in theory at least have no right to win regularly as they do. or with as many numbers in the top 20. so i see your point and sprint pigeons will have their day . just give what i said some thought because there are many days here when the heavy middle distance type bird will shine. it's a progressive program here too bernie. not like england where you can specialise to a great extent. if can have all the sprints you want. all the specialist and distance clubs you want. here you need a different types of pigeons if you want to be in the running every week. if you concentrate on sprints you're season will be over in may. concentrate on the distance and you'll get one race. am i off track entirely? perhaps. freddy flys sprint races too and wins it all depends on the lines you get he has a team size to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaz Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 for me middle distance 200 to 400 miles.i can,t see past bussharte our van loons our bussharte x van loon.i find the birds recover quick after a hard race and some of them do a lot better after a hard race. i think with some of them that do better after a hard race is down to me not trainning birds enough . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 a lot of the top middle distance men now in belg were less than 10 year ago top sprint flyers and they are doing it really with the same base of birds some have even said its easier to win at the light middle and middle than at sprint as its so competitive look at van den bulk this year wiley we spoke about him before he is bringing the completion to a whole new level amazing what he is doing (and i dont have his birds before ppl ask) with his results this year within 5 year he will prob move to middle and still win with the same base of birds Do you think dirk will move up after the money his earning in the Tievernbond? I'm sure if he does he'll lead the way with the same family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Do you think dirk will move up after the money his earning in the Tievernbond? I'm sure if he does he'll lead the way with the same family. if he gets another year or two like this id say he will as at it is he has noting left to prove in the way he dominated have never seen anybody to fly in the tienverbond . club radius can change on yearly basis in belg lol lads like to try middle as they get older and when there on top to try something new possibly less work on the middle will be interesting too see that's for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest maricelbill Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 what are the base of this guys birds lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 what are the base of this guys birds lads. Dirks base is Leo Heremans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demolition man Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Bill many years ago i had a team of pigeon's that would win at 2000 yds a minute down to 800yds a minutes, and in some cases these were the same pigeon's if at anytime i was in doubt that they would not perform they were rested. Even when i was in the running for the coverted London NR Combine Tommy Long cup. Only one pigeon was good enough to go to Thurso in my opinion and only one went (IF IN DOUBT LEAVE OUT). Did i win the Tommy Long NO i was third which is not reconised. However my lone entry did finish in the top 100 against over 4,500 birds giving me a good race. If pigeon racing was as easy as going to a loft a getting a family of pigeons i would be back at the top of my game again instead i'm breeding the waiting game in the hope i can be in top gear in the next two years. and believe me they will be expected to compete week in week out what ever the velolicty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest maricelbill Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 you're right bernie. in fact all of you are right. but with so much hype even i get my head turned from time to time. and i should know better. mea culpa compadres. i've seen your material bernie you're well on way back mate. they'll be hitting the trap over here too. when you say dirk's base is heremens ryan, do you by chance know which line or lines? the olympiade, from what i have seen at least, is the one to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 you're right bernie. in fact all of you are right. but with so much hype even i get my head turned from time to time. and i should know better. mea culpa compadres. i've seen your material bernie you're well on way back mate. they'll be hitting the trap over here too. when you say dirk's base is heremens ryan, do you by chance know which line or lines? the olympiade, from what i have seen at least, is the one to have. Bill from my understanding Dirk and Leo are very good friends, and live only literally a 5 minute drive away. So I wouldn't be surprised if he's had them all from the best. Dirk seems to have crossed them extremely well with the Steffan Lambrechts, which is the nephew and cousin of the famous Berlaar partnership known in England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest maricelbill Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Bill from my understanding Dirk and Leo are very good friends, and live only literally a 5 minute drive away. So I wouldn't be surprised if he's had them all from the best. Dirk seems to have crossed them extremely well with the Steffan Lambrechts, which is the nephew and cousin of the famous Berlaar partnership known in England. and is he flying the same lambrechts lines ryan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 and is he flying the same lambrechts lines ryan? Stefan uses them but they aren't at the forefront give Micky Collins of Birmingham hell be able to give u the low down, but as u will know bill the lambrechts famous here there best are from a series of crossings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest maricelbill Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 i won't be ringing anyone for a while yet, ryan :emoticon-0136-giggle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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