walterboswell59 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Thats exactly what people are telling me, bobs dont need to be down for bird to be clocked as long as pad is in confines of loft.???????????thats totaly wrong mick the only ones that get away with that are the stall trap boys be cause when bird goes through it cant get back out suppose to be thats why its a grey area in the rule if you could not catch the bird while its on the pad its not legal and you cant do that if bobs are up i know what the shu rule is because it was me who sugested it to shu presedent to stop unfair use and to make it fair for all not trapped not legal covers every aspect if anyone has it any other way report it to your club and union they are cheating you force them to take action hope this clears it up for everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockman Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Thats because it isnt there we know that,maybe some should read the rule book,i give up, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemetary Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 we know that,maybe some should read the rule book,i give up, Your easy, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 thats totaly wrong mick the only ones that get away with that are the stall trap boys be cause when bird goes through it cant get back out suppose to be thats why its a grey area in the rule if you could not catch the bird while its on the pad its not legal and you cant do that if bobs are up i know what the shu rule is because it was me who sugested it to shu presedent to stop unfair use and to make it fair for all not trapped not legal covers every aspect if anyone has it any other way report it to your club and union they are cheating you force them to take action hope this clears it up for everyoneCant recall this ammendment ever being on agenda for any SHU agm and just because someone "suggests" something, doesnt follow that it gets made a rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Cant recall this ammendment ever being on agenda for any SHU agm and just because someone "suggests" something, doesnt follow that it gets made a rule.trapped was on sheets sent out to all clubs when ets first came out benny martin was presdent of shu at time but even rule 9 on here says bird must enter loft before timing if its walking on to a pad and timed in it has not enterd the loft because it can fly away if it wants and still be timed in anyway mines is on floor of sputnic and no one has any beef with that i am keeping me right and fair to others the system its self is advantage enough without trying to get more in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 trapped was on sheets sent out to all clubs when ets first came out benny martin was presdent of shu at time but even rule 9 on here says bird must enter loft before timing if its walking on to a pad and timed in it has not enterd the loft because it can fly away if it wants and still be timed in anyway mines is on floor of sputnic and no one has any beef with that i am keeping me right and fair to others the system its self is advantage enough without trying to get more in my opinionIf yer pad is in the loft then surely it follows that the bird is IN the loft when it hits the pad?? Rule9 says nowt about being confined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 If yer pad is in the loft then surely it follows that the bird is IN the loft when it hits the pad?? Rule9 says nowt about being confined?we could argue the toss about the interpretion of the rule for ever dal so ill finnish with this do what you think is fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 If yer pad is in the loft then surely it follows that the bird is IN the loft when it hits the pad?? Rule9 says nowt about being confined?yer pads in the loft if its screwed onto the roof to m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 yer pads in the loft if its screwed onto the roof to m8Anybody doin that is just a pure wanker and the club sec should check pads before racing and any queries should be addressed then ie sealed in!! I wasnt bothered about ets but the club got a grant and went for it and to be honest I dont think I would enjoy going back to a clock!! As for fairness, ye still have to get the birds to the front cos yer clock doesnt make them fly faster or slower only you?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billt Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Just shows how badly the rules on using ETS have been written, after all this time we still have debates on what is legal and what is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 yer pads in the loft if its screwed onto the roof to m8I dont think there would be any advantage screwing a pad to the loft roof, as it would take a hell of a lot of work to train a pigeon to walk over the exact bit the pad was under and even if it could be done I would doubt that the ring would register through the wood and a layer of felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Just shows how badly the rules on using ETS have been written, after all this time we still have debates on what is legal and what is not true m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JADE Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 The rules are not badly written, folk just add there own interpretation to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billt Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 The rules are not badly written, folk just add there own interpretation to them. I think well written rules shouldn't be open to interpretation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Burgess Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I think well written rules shouldn't be open to interpretationi think photographs and examples of whats permitted and what is,nt would help too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 i think photographs and examples of whats permitted and what is,nt would help too Agree Andy. They could even go one step further and put a short clip on youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Burgess Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Agree Andy. They could even go one step further and put a short clip on youtube.in this day and age Tony ,surely that would easily done ? in this day and age Tony ,surely that would easily done ? having said that , iv,e not looked ,and the information could be there ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 in this day and age Tony ,surely that would easily done ? having said that , iv,e not looked ,and the information could be there ?? I had a brief look on the RPRA website (blogs) and couldn't find anything there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billt Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 The Welsh rules Re. ETS, The pads must not be placed in a position where they can read the chip before the bird is confined in the loft, Now that seems plain and simple to me and not open to interpretation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Burgess Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 The Welsh rules Re. ETS, The pads must not be placed in a position where they can read the chip before the bird is confined in the loft, Now that seems plain and simple to me and not open to interpretationthe beauty and simplicity of the Welsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billt Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 the beauty and simplicity of the Welsh Amazingly simple isn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JADE Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 the beauty and simplicity of the Welsh got to say I`ve seen some ugly welshmen. cant comment if they are simple or not LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Burgess Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 got to say I`ve seen some ugly welshmen. cant comment if they are simple or not LOLwell they dinnae wear skirts at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIGEON_MAN Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 well they dinnae wear skirts at least No Wellies MATE. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Burgess Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 No Wellies MATE. :oEWE know me so well Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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