Natural Fliers

[peter pandy]

some families especially sprint will charge on in the moult and be over the top mid to late season and this dosent matter how you work it . Other families more often than not distance based will be slower anyway , when young lad always got told to watch for the birds with the slow wing for latter on :emoticon-0167-beer:

 

In my early years in the game it did not matter if you had sprint,middle or long distance birds. all were raced from 60 - 550 miles and the only difference was the state of the moult in individual birds. In those days pairing up was in March because virtually no one had electric light in their loft to rear young any earlier plus few even thought about it as an advantage. To slow the moult only one round was taken from the yearlings and older birds that were to be set up for flying 500+ miles never reared. Sprinters won from the distance and were never classified as sprinters just good all rounders.

Oh Aye, Nobody dominated short distance races in the Fed, Nobody dominated middle distance in the Fed and nobody dominated long distance racing in Scotland apart from Eddie Newcomb.

[andy Burgess]

does that effect the moult come racing or ??

 

Never had a prob Andy, makes conditioning easier IMO. Also makes the feeding, especially the hens, esier to regulate?

so in effect Ste you are flying both sexes on a celibate type system ?? would you say thats true ?

[dal2]

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so in effect Ste you are flying both sexes on a celibate type system ?? would you say thats true ?

Yip mostly, do bring some hens on some friday nights just to give us a wee bit of a race especially with the yearlings and sprinters!

[andy Burgess]

Yip mostly, do bring some hens on some friday nights just to give us a wee bit of a race especially with the yearlings and sprinters!

ok , thank you , and what distance approx is that out to ?

[dal2]

ok , thank you , and what distance approx is that out to ?

yearling sprinters to 240, yearling distance and all 2yr olds to 300 miles, with and odd yearling and then the ones selected for the water out to 600 miles depending on where the SNFC are going! Sometimes a yearling to Ypres if it is bred from the right stuff but distance families are hard so I try to take it easy??

[andy Burgess]

yearling sprinters to 240, yearling distance and all 2yr olds to 300 miles, with and odd yearling and then the ones selected for the water out to 600 miles depending on where the SNFC are going! Sometimes a yearling to Ypres if it is bred from the right stuff but distance families are hard so I try to take it easy??

thanks for the reply .

[Guest stb-]

In my early years in the game it did not matter if you had sprint,middle or long distance birds. all were raced from 60 - 550 miles and the only difference was the state of the moult in individual birds. In those days pairing up was in March because virtually no one had electric light in their loft to rear young any earlier plus few even thought about it as an advantage. To slow the moult only one round was taken from the yearlings and older birds that were to be set up for flying 500+ miles never reared. Sprinters won from the distance and were never classified as sprinters just good all rounders.

Oh Aye, Nobody dominated short distance races in the Fed, Nobody dominated middle distance in the Fed and nobody dominated long distance racing in Scotland apart from Eddie Newcomb.

yes there were no sprinters then and as you say good all rounders . The more modern sprint pigeons now would deffo moult quicker but they are exspected to win at the start and are breed for that purpose , it dont matter how far on there wing is in june as they are not the birds for the job then . I served my time working with Reddy nash of nash and sons croy 1st and 4th open snfc rennes gold cup and worked with him untill he passed away . He always said to watch when the first flight was dropped and for the distance to look for the birds which didint drop there first flights till june and were just hitting form for mid to end june races , the ones that were on there 4th flight then were your birds for fun in the early races if thats what you want .

[walterboswell59]

what about nesting Walter , would you raise young or fly them to pot eggs until the distance comes around ??

i let them rear two andy one in each nest

[andy Burgess]

i let them rear two andy one in each nest

cheers Walter .

[peter pandy]

yes there were no sprinters then and as you say good all rounders . The more modern sprint pigeons now would deffo moult quicker but they are exspected to win at the start and are breed for that purpose , it dont matter how far on there wing is in june as they are not the birds for the job then . I served my time working with Reddy nash of nash and sons croy 1st and 4th open snfc rennes gold cup and worked with him untill he passed away . He always said to watch when the first flight was dropped and for the distance to look for the birds which didint drop there first flights till june and were just hitting form for mid to end june races , the ones that were on there 4th flight then were your birds for fun in the early races if thats what you want .

I remember "NO SURRENDER" as if it was yesterday and if my memory serves a second time was it not a cross from Duncan Ogilvie and Jock Reid from their Marrion family ?.

[Guest stb-]

I remember "NO SURRENDER" as if it was yesterday and if my memory serves a second time was it not a cross from Duncan Ogilvie and Jock Reid from their Marrion family ?.

I TAKE IT IT WASNY THIS ONE AULD FELLOW

 

No Surrender the winner of the first Rennes National winner of 1910. I have since discovered that Mr McLean purchased him for a bargain price of 5 shillings, (25 pence in today’s money). The breeder of the blue cock (No Surrender) one of our greatest champion pigeons of all time was Mr Alex Baird of Rumford near Falkirk. No Surrender won the following positions in the SNFC 1st, 2nd, 8th and 12th in 4 races from Granville 504 miles and Rennes 553 miles. He also proved a success at stock and was the sire of many good winners notable amongst them being Bonny Jean who won 8th & 11th open Rennes in 1911 & 1912 respectively; Scotch Jimmie 27th open Rennes in 1912 contained all the best Wegge blood and was bought by Mr McLean on his return from the states in 1905. In 1947 he still corresponded with Dr Anderson president of the SNFC.

 

WAS IT JOCKY ALANS NO SURRENDER YOU MEAN :emoticon-0167-beer:

[peter pandy]

I TAKE IT IT WASNY THIS ONE AULD FELLOW

 

No Surrender the winner of the first Rennes National winner of 1910. I have since discovered that Mr McLean purchased him for a bargain price of 5 shillings, (25 pence in today’s money). The breeder of the blue cock (No Surrender) one of our greatest champion pigeons of all time was Mr Alex Baird of Rumford near Falkirk. No Surrender won the following positions in the SNFC 1st, 2nd, 8th and 12th in 4 races from Granville 504 miles and Rennes 553 miles. He also proved a success at stock and was the sire of many good winners notable amongst them being Bonny Jean who won 8th & 11th open Rennes in 1911 & 1912 respectively; Scotch Jimmie 27th open Rennes in 1912 contained all the best Wegge blood and was bought by Mr McLean on his return from the states in 1905. In 1947 he still corresponded with Dr Anderson president of the SNFC.

 

WAS IT JOCKY ALANS NO SURRENDER YOU MEAN :emoticon-0167-beer:

 

Maybe someone can correct me as I was 100% sure it was called NO SURRENDER as it was paraded through Croy reported in the Daily Record and caused a bit of a furore in the letters page due to the local flute band leading.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Maybe someone can correct me as I was 100% sure it was called NO SURRENDER as it was paraded through Croy reported in the Daily Record and caused a bit of a furore in the letters page due to the local flute band leading.

 

'Daphne's Delight' was their 1966 SNFC Rennes winner if thats what your after Peter?

[Guest stb-]

Maybe someone can correct me as I was 100% sure it was called NO SURRENDER as it was paraded through Croy reported in the Daily Record and caused a bit of a furore in the letters page due to the local flute band leading.

daphnes delight wee blue hen , named efter his oldest daughter :emoticon-0167-beer: delbar fae jock reid

 

'Daphne's Delight' was their 1966 SNFC Rennes winner if thats what your after Peter?

youll be glad it wasny bam bam bumbegs lewis :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

 

youll be glad it wasny bam bam bumbegs lewis :emoticon-0136-giggle:

 

Aye I'm glad we cleared that one up

[peter pandy]

I have a virus and its affecting my memory amongst other things LOL.

[andy Burgess]

put the 8 hens in this afternoon ,left them too it ,,,,,, but only 20 minutes later ,had to sort them out .had 4 pairs showing interest ,so locked those hens in the relevant box.put the other 4 hens with the cocks that looked a similar shape ,and thats it. will see how they look in the morning now ?

[andy Burgess]

put the 8 hens in this afternoon ,left them too it ,,,,,, but only 20 minutes later ,had to sort them out .had 4 pairs showing interest ,so locked those hens in the relevant box.put the other 4 hens with the cocks that looked a similar shape ,and thats it. will see how they look in the morning now ?

ive almost given up with them , 4 pairs look fine together .the other 4 ,1 cock trying to take 3 hens and 3 boxes .2 hens have each layed first egg after being in for 3 days ? must have paired to each other before being moved in. another pair took to a space along side the boxes where the inner door slides into (thought that big gap was going to cause a problem) so have had to do some modification today .the only good thing is at least they wont all be sitting at the same time

[dal2]

ive almost given up with them , 4 pairs look fine together .the other 4 ,1 cock trying to take 3 hens and 3 boxes .2 hens have each layed first egg after being in for 3 days ? must have paired to each other before being moved in. another pair took to a space along side the boxes where the inner door slides into (thought that big gap was going to cause a problem) so have had to do some modification today .the only good thing is at least they wont all be sitting at the same time

Shut them in the boxs wae half a brick???

[andy Burgess]

Shut them in the boxs wae half a brick???

ive left everything open as of yesterday Steve ,they can just get on with it now .

[geordie1234]

Probably happier and more content not interfering with them

[andy Burgess]

ive left everything open as of yesterday Steve ,they can just get on with it now .

2 of the hens i had previuosly locked up in the boxes ,have now cuddled up with 2 other cocks.at least the 1 that was taking over 3 boxes and 3 hens has settled with one now too.

[ALF]

I pre paired 8 pair and threw the other 15 pair together yesterday morning and looking ok so far apart from 1 2 yr old hen wanting to go 15 rounds with the biggest cock in the loft (I had to end up taking her out that section for her own good) but I have it noted what box she wanted and maybe have a wee bit of fun during racing with the both of them if they are still there

[Tony C]

9 pair put together today. Hens locked in one half of nestbox, cocks here there & eveywhere....................... when the music stops thats the nestbox the cocks will be staying in.

[andy Burgess]

2 of the hens i had previuosly locked up in the boxes ,have now cuddled up with 2 other cocks.at least the 1 that was taking over 3 boxes and 3 hens has settled with one now too.

put 6 nest bowls in today , partially in the hope the others will take a hint and start to pair ??