OLDYELLOW Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Firstly I would like to thank Lee for giving up his time to do a Question and Answer session , I hope to give you a good insight into how they fly and prepair there there birds for the long distance races. Lee & Kevin Buddle are a Father and son partnership Lee been the son . Q When did you and your father get into keeping racing pigeons ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 We Started in 1996 with a couple of babies from a local fancier although my dad Kevin used to keep pigeons with his father in the late 60s and early 70s but gave them up when he got married. However, we didn’t really get into pigeons properly until 1997 when we built our first small loft in the back garden of my parents house. From the start of our time in pigeon racing we have been mainly interested in Long Distance racing. This was brought about by the late B C Williams of Westmarsh in Kent who was always thereabouts in the Internatonal events. After staying up at the club late one evening while some of our club members were having their Classic clocks read, I met Brian Williams and he said to come over to his place the following weekend. So a week later I went along to Brian’s and he gifted us 6 young birds. A couple of these youngsters are still the base of our family of pigeons today along with a few other select introductions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 What clubs to you fly in ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 We fly most weeks in the East of England Championship Club (EECC) across the channel from races between 110m to 250m, This club is open to 4 Counties Kent, Essex, Suffolk & Norfolk. We use these as our training in preperation for the Long distance Internationals & NFC Tarbes. We do send to the BICC Nationals for training aswell if we feel that the race point at that time useful as a training race. So our main clubs areBICC, EECC and NFC for the Grand National (Tarbes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Well it's that time of year again when thoughts turn to pairing the birds up and breeding new champions , when do you pair up ???? and what preparations do you do to get the birds paired up ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Well we may actually pair our stock birds up this coming weekend alot earlier than normal, There is no real reason behind this just the simple fact that we are so happy with the birds we have at stock we are quite excited about what they are going to throw out. The race birds will not get paired until about the 3rd week of February. All the birds are more-a-less redy to pair as they ALL have been on 2/3 Barley since the middle of November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Do you treat the birds or give any supplements before pairing ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 We Worm them with tablets a few weeks before pairing (we done the stock 3rd week Nov). when they are all sitting we treat for 5-7 days (Depending on how much treatment we have in the cupboard) for Canker, Thats All. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 At what age do you remove the young birds for weaning ??? and do you use the darkness system to fly your young birds ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 We take the Hens away and leave the Cocks to finish the YB's off at 18-20 days old, but this is only with the race birds. we wean them at 26 Days stock & Race. We don't really race YB's but we do train them Once or Twice out to 100 miles, We have sent a couple to the NFC YB National but they don't seem to do much. we leave them to have a Natural moult each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Do you do anything special to help them through the moult ??? or do you see it as a natural process that requires no intervention ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 During the moult we feed Versele-Laga Mutine Plus with a pinch of Sunflower hearts each feed as these are high in oils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Do you feel it's important to give the young birds training and a few races in the year that there bred ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 I think that training is a must. 10, 20 & 40 miles by car when we get time with the yb's also 1or2 100 mile trainers/races. I dont think they need any more than that, just leave them to moult and mature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Moving on to your Yearlings , preparation as above , what racing would these yearlings see and when would you start them off ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 They will have in early May a couple of inland 100 mile races. But not to many as these for us are West to East down the coast. Then they will have 4-5 channel races out to Tours 260 miles, a select few that need testing wiil go on to Bergerac 435 miles after Tours. But thats only ever a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 So basically your setting them up for 2 year old's and not burning them out and letting them mature as these will be the future stars of the loft but valuable training for there racing career ahead . Moving on to 2year old's what racing would these see and when would you start them off ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 2yr olds have 1 inland then across the channel nearly every week between 110m & 260m. Then 90% of them will go to either NFC Tarbes or a BICC International (only 1 500+ mile race though). Having said that we had a 2009 hen in the clock this year from 2 500+ mile races NFC Tarbes & BICC Perpignan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 What preparation do you do the week of a big race what feeds do you use and what products if any ???? Do you feed peanuts ? or high protein foods ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Feed stays the same all of the racing season 50% VL Best all round & 50% VL Superstar plus. The last 5 days before basketing they get alot of Sunflower hearts into them, about a level tea spoon per bird each feed after they have had their corn for about 20 mins. Nothing special in the drinker just the same as every week, Vitamins & Amino Acid, Ropa-Diar & Garlic.We dont feed peanuts as we think they taken to long for the birds to digest. We use alot of Sunflower hearts a they have morealess the same amount of fats in them as peanuts but thay are digested alot better by the birds. We feed 50% VL Best All Round corn which has a high percentage of protein via the high content of Maples in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Which system do use for racing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 We use Widowhood Cocks and Hens, The cocks race to their boxes and the hens race to the perches. they only get to see each other on return from training or racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 When do you exercise your birds round the loft and what times ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LBuddle Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 The morning exercise lasts for around 30 minutes 6:00 - 06:30 Cocks & 06:30 - 07:00 Hens. The evening stint amounts to no more than 45 minutes 16:15 - 17:00 Cocks & 17:00 - 17-45 Hens. The birds are never forced to fly and the hens in particular rarely fly for more than 10 – 15 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Do you have any problems with hens laying with been on widowhood prior to been raced ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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