New Breed Of Fancy Pigeon

[Guest Doade]

[Guest ljb107]

haha very good George. Are they the gorgueros he had off me?

 

Lloyd

[Guest peter4pm]

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[franny41]

Be nice if some people could put up videos of there own birds as well as other peoples in my youtube video you'll see a bird i bred following the radar formula

 

http://youtu.be/1b3gwJwLXg4

[Guest Doade]

Be nice if some people could put up videos of there own birds as well as other peoples in my youtube video you'll see a bird i bred following the radar formula

 

http://youtu.be/1b3gwJwLXg4

 

 

Nice wee doo. Is he a gaditano x homer ? How do you think he would fair at the other end ?

[franny41]

Yes he is nice.He is bred using Anthony Kellers Radar formula. He does just fine at the other end as he has'nt been caught yet and has put loads of hens in at his own end.

 

We all know you put up videos of your pals birds what about putting some recent videos up of your birds

 

P.S. AND THE RADAR DOO IN THE VIDEO CAN MOTOR.

[Guest Doade]

I am a breeder and I pass birds onto my pals to try. I had done the crosses before Kellers did and they were like any other cross pouter: a cross and nothing else.Not one could match the horseman. Best cross I ever did was gaditano hen x racer doo and I called it a cross thats all, never gave it a name

[franny41]

ENJOY

 

 

Radar Pouter

 

by Anthony Kellers

 

Over the past few years I have also developed some of my own strain of flying croppers, and for me the most successful flying cross was:

 

Racer (cock) x Laudino (hen) = F1- young hen only (as this will give the body to the young)

 

X

 

Gaditano or Marchenero Cock = below picture (young cock)

 

It needs to be in this order/ no switching or the results change.

 

The birds I produce from this have tremendous flying ability and a good size crop , as you can see from the pictures, whilst being able to fly at great speed after pigeons they spot in the sky. They also possess good homing ability, which means they can go hunting for up 5 miles and still return to the loft. Its important to use the hen only from the Laudino cross, as she will give the body/muscle when putting it back to a Gaditano/Marchenero cock, whilst also straightening the tail of the young.

 

 

 

 

 

This bird is called Radar and has homed from 25 miles when released on various occasions.

 

Well- each cross you do has its own story, and tale- however the the principle of that cross is based on my understanding of genetics and the ability to "hold" the flying attributes of the racer and grade back in the sexual drive that makes these birds (croppers) unique.

 

I'm confident this formula will work for you if you follow it to the letter i.e. cock and hen in the right order and progeny mated back in the right order as per the document.

 

If not the formula breaks down- it need to be done in the exact order due to the inheritance values within it.

 

This simple formula took me years to come to ratify and conclude on - these birds will motor.

 

I have only two left since my move but I am breeding some as we speak. The two I have will and can chase a racer on route somewhere and turn it time after time, stay air borne for very long periods, and constantly strike up/of for hours- yes that's hours!! it is quite a buzz seeing a bird deflate his crop at will and motor after it prey at high velocity, and then when near the bird inflate the crop again and turn on the style.

 

Over the years I have made cropper crosses with tumbler, hawkers, racers, polish orlicks, toy pigeons, garden doves, Spanish with other Spanish, breed crossing, and although I had a feeling that this particular cross was heading in the right direction based on my theory of how a bird holds certain qualities and attributes, I was fortunate to come across this formula after 7 years of crossing - when it could have taken me 25 years.

 

I'm glad that you are giving it a go - that's exactly why I posted it, so that others can enjoy this cross.

 

3 guys can do the same cross with the same breed and come up with a gradiance of performance - however I believe the baseline performance indicators are there and as such in general the quality will be generally good.

 

The two I have - have been tossed and returned from 25 mile, same day within good time, and that was me not pushing them too hard.

 

 

 

A second article

 

Over the past few years I have developed some of my own strains/family of flying croppers, a particular strain I like is the combination detailed below:

 

 

Racer (cock) x Laudino (hen) = F1- young hen only (as this will give the body to young)

X

Gaditano or Marchenero Cock = above picture (young cock)

 

 

 

The birds that are produced from this combination are a very good example of a flying thief pouter, they have the ability to stay airborne for long periods of time, they also tend to hold the homing instinct from their grandfather, this is an important factor if they are to “ hunt “ for many miles and capture the chosen hen, birds bred this way easily find their way back from five miles, and when they are in this kind of flying mood they really can shift at speed on the hunt.

 

I can recall letting RADAR go from my hand, in the presence of Dennis Murray, one morning when Den came for a visit, and within seconds it was up at a good height, putting on the style, when suddenly two white pigeons came over at high altitude, Radar had locked onto the target and was gone, coming back over 2 mins later like a speck in the sky, on the tail of a these white pigeons, another cock that I had also let go, started to “ drag†one of the white pigeons down to roof level, but the other one , I guess it was the cock of the pair, was having none of it and circled some more to gain height and then motored off, Radar deflated his crop in an instance and sped after it and they both disappeared off in the distance.

 

So Radar and the single white pigeon had both disappeared, and the other one was still hanging around with the gay pied cock, in the meantime I cooked Dennis a sausage sandwich, which we were eating in the garden, then some 35-40 mins later there was RADAR gliding in a circle, slowly losing height and altitude…….. All this fun and RADAR was just 16 weeks old!!

 

Now I read on average a pigeon fly’s about 30mile per hour, so if your tipplers fly around your loft for 1 hour, it an equivalent to flying 30 miles whether round and round or in a straight line, makes no difference, so guessed if RADAR had stayed airborne whilst tracking the white pigeon for 35-40 mins then, well u get an idea of the kind of mileage they can cover…….

 

When producing this combination it is very important to use the sexes in the correct order as you will get the inherent additions of what I call “the reversal effect†this is when as above, you put the racer cock bird to a Laudino hen, the hen will hold more physical stature in line with her father (the racer cock) and the young cock that of his mother (Laudino), I have observed this on many occasions with various crosses of two distinct lines/breeds.

This is natures way of making sure that the hen/cock bird respectively will produce offspring that although hold a combination of the genes from each parent, make it easier to replicate that fathers or mothers line back, and so ensure preservation of that dose of genes, should the young/offspring reach maturity and the subsequent selection process determine they mate back with the parent of the opposite sex.

 

E.g.

 

Young (cross) hen x racer cock (enabling that inherited genetic line to replicate)

Young (cross) cock x Laudino hen( same as above)

 

On this basis then, when the above combination is followed, the hen from the first cross will “hold “ a lot of her fathers( crack racer) physical qualities, i.e. shape, stamp, muscle, brains etc, so in turn when the final part of he combination is carried out and she is put back to a Spanish cock bird, in this case a Gaditano, although the dose of Spanish increases in the resulting young, giving an outwardly looking Spanish cropper type bird, the exciting bit is the “ reversal effect “ holds true so that all the cocks produced will hold physical traits from the mother, who has in turn inherited/ held them from her father, and the reversal effect is almost, like color sex linkage, cock down to hen and then down to cock, etc……

 

Note: the difference between this and color sex linkage is that the color will hold true for generation after generation all the time the correct breeding pattern is followed, where as with the reversal effect as you move away from the original cock (racer) the influence will dilute, however I have found the combination above will give just the right balance, and hold just the Wright amount of genes from the “stock racer†to have a evident effect on the flying cropper, whilst giving it a much stronger dose of Spanish blood and a much better cosmetic appearance than just say a straight 50%/50% cross.

 

If you wish the hens to hold the flying trait more hen, just reverse the whole combination.

 

Now within this combination I specifically chose the Coljito (Gaditano/Marchenero) cocks because firstly I wanted to lighten the body weight, from that of a typical racer, to something that is more buoyant and clap/glide in a more slower pace if needed, which you get from crossing these types of specific cropper, without necessarily losing the wing muscle, provided you are running the pure cock through the flying/cross hen. And secondly of what I call the “magnetized effect†that crosses from these birds produce when the right amount of blood is put in with the other ingredients. Too much and the birds lose the flying power, becomes too showy, to little and the “magnetized effect†is not in evidence.

 

The Coljito (Gaditano or Marchenero) has proved to be the one to hold this when put through my combination.

Well what’s the “magnetized effect†well as the name of one of my pigeons called RADAR will suggest, these combination birds, once excited and in flow, will lock on to a bird in the sky and without the benefit of a courtship dance, stick to that bird like a magnet and fly with her for mile after mile, out of sight, often the bird being pursued is oblivious to what’s going on and is simply flying home or back to a roost! The cropper is as if paralyzed by some magnetic force, unable to pull itself away, until the moment when the hen signals her interest, at which point the “drag†back to the loft will begin. Some times they capture sometimes not, as often they are chasing a cock, and will not find this out, because there was not courtships dance., until the birds alights many miles away.

Such is the homing instinct they always find there way back.

 

Often with other breeds of croppers ( pure breeds) I have had, they may try to turn the subject a few times early on, but often not commit to a blind chase out of sight to the back of beyond for miles if the subject is not in the mood or has not signaled any encouragement.

 

However when the “magnetized effect†is evident the a blind chase ensues, and at worst if no capture, your pigeon gets to motor out for a few miles of good exercise, with very little input or training from you.

 

The other benefit is that when he does lock onto an available hen, she hasn’t much hope of getting away, as he keeps up with and turns and turns and turns, no matter how far out the bird rakes.

 

There are no doubt other combinations that have proved good and others that are yet to found, however it took me many years of playing about, to find this balance and I hope by sharing this with you, it can be tried by you, and enjoyed by you.

 

Ps if anyone has other strains/families, we would love you to share them with us, equally if you have tried something different, a particular cross etc , please share it with our members.

 

Happy flying

 

Anthony

International/marketing liaison officer

All flying cropper club

[Guest Doade]

ENJOY

 

 

Radar Pouter

 

by Anthony Kellers

 

Over the past few years I have also developed some of my own strain of flying croppers, and for me the most successful flying cross was:

 

Racer (cock) x Laudino (hen) = F1- young hen only (as this will give the body to the young)

 

X

 

Gaditano or Marchenero Cock = below picture (young cock)

 

It needs to be in this order/ no switching or the results change.

 

The birds I produce from this have tremendous flying ability and a good size crop , as you can see from the pictures, whilst being able to fly at great speed after pigeons they spot in the sky. They also possess good homing ability, which means they can go hunting for up 5 miles and still return to the loft. Its important to use the hen only from the Laudino cross, as she will give the body/muscle when putting it back to a Gaditano/Marchenero cock, whilst also straightening the tail of the young.

 

 

 

 

 

This bird is called Radar and has homed from 25 miles when released on various occasions.

 

Well- each cross you do has its own story, and tale- however the the principle of that cross is based on my understanding of genetics and the ability to "hold" the flying attributes of the racer and grade back in the sexual drive that makes these birds (croppers) unique.

 

I'm confident this formula will work for you if you follow it to the letter i.e. cock and hen in the right order and progeny mated back in the right order as per the document.

 

If not the formula breaks down- it need to be done in the exact order due to the inheritance values within it.

 

This simple formula took me years to come to ratify and conclude on - these birds will motor.

 

I have only two left since my move but I am breeding some as we speak. The two I have will and can chase a racer on route somewhere and turn it time after time, stay air borne for very long periods, and constantly strike up/of for hours- yes that's hours!! it is quite a buzz seeing a bird deflate his crop at will and motor after it prey at high velocity, and then when near the bird inflate the crop again and turn on the style.

 

Over the years I have made cropper crosses with tumbler, hawkers, racers, polish orlicks, toy pigeons, garden doves, Spanish with other Spanish, breed crossing, and although I had a feeling that this particular cross was heading in the right direction based on my theory of how a bird holds certain qualities and attributes, I was fortunate to come across this formula after 7 years of crossing - when it could have taken me 25 years.

 

I'm glad that you are giving it a go - that's exactly why I posted it, so that others can enjoy this cross.

 

3 guys can do the same cross with the same breed and come up with a gradiance of performance - however I believe the baseline performance indicators are there and as such in general the quality will be generally good.

 

The two I have - have been tossed and returned from 25 mile, same day within good time, and that was me not pushing them too hard.

 

 

 

A second article

 

Over the past few years I have developed some of my own strains/family of flying croppers, a particular strain I like is the combination detailed below:

 

 

Racer (cock) x Laudino (hen) = F1- young hen only (as this will give the body to young)

X

Gaditano or Marchenero Cock = above picture (young cock)

 

 

 

The birds that are produced from this combination are a very good example of a flying thief pouter, they have the ability to stay airborne for long periods of time, they also tend to hold the homing instinct from their grandfather, this is an important factor if they are to “ hunt “ for many miles and capture the chosen hen, birds bred this way easily find their way back from five miles, and when they are in this kind of flying mood they really can shift at speed on the hunt.

 

I can recall letting RADAR go from my hand, in the presence of Dennis Murray, one morning when Den came for a visit, and within seconds it was up at a good height, putting on the style, when suddenly two white pigeons came over at high altitude, Radar had locked onto the target and was gone, coming back over 2 mins later like a speck in the sky, on the tail of a these white pigeons, another cock that I had also let go, started to “ drag†one of the white pigeons down to roof level, but the other one , I guess it was the cock of the pair, was having none of it and circled some more to gain height and then motored off, Radar deflated his crop in an instance and sped after it and they both disappeared off in the distance.

 

So Radar and the single white pigeon had both disappeared, and the other one was still hanging around with the gay pied cock, in the meantime I cooked Dennis a sausage sandwich, which we were eating in the garden, then some 35-40 mins later there was RADAR gliding in a circle, slowly losing height and altitude…….. All this fun and RADAR was just 16 weeks old!!

 

Now I read on average a pigeon fly’s about 30mile per hour, so if your tipplers fly around your loft for 1 hour, it an equivalent to flying 30 miles whether round and round or in a straight line, makes no difference, so guessed if RADAR had stayed airborne whilst tracking the white pigeon for 35-40 mins then, well u get an idea of the kind of mileage they can cover…….

 

When producing this combination it is very important to use the sexes in the correct order as you will get the inherent additions of what I call “the reversal effect†this is when as above, you put the racer cock bird to a Laudino hen, the hen will hold more physical stature in line with her father (the racer cock) and the young cock that of his mother (Laudino), I have observed this on many occasions with various crosses of two distinct lines/breeds.

This is natures way of making sure that the hen/cock bird respectively will produce offspring that although hold a combination of the genes from each parent, make it easier to replicate that fathers or mothers line back, and so ensure preservation of that dose of genes, should the young/offspring reach maturity and the subsequent selection process determine they mate back with the parent of the opposite sex.

 

E.g.

 

Young (cross) hen x racer cock (enabling that inherited genetic line to replicate)

Young (cross) cock x Laudino hen( same as above)

 

On this basis then, when the above combination is followed, the hen from the first cross will “hold “ a lot of her fathers( crack racer) physical qualities, i.e. shape, stamp, muscle, brains etc, so in turn when the final part of he combination is carried out and she is put back to a Spanish cock bird, in this case a Gaditano, although the dose of Spanish increases in the resulting young, giving an outwardly looking Spanish cropper type bird, the exciting bit is the “ reversal effect “ holds true so that all the cocks produced will hold physical traits from the mother, who has in turn inherited/ held them from her father, and the reversal effect is almost, like color sex linkage, cock down to hen and then down to cock, etc……

 

Note: the difference between this and color sex linkage is that the color will hold true for generation after generation all the time the correct breeding pattern is followed, where as with the reversal effect as you move away from the original cock (racer) the influence will dilute, however I have found the combination above will give just the right balance, and hold just the Wright amount of genes from the “stock racer†to have a evident effect on the flying cropper, whilst giving it a much stronger dose of Spanish blood and a much better cosmetic appearance than just say a straight 50%/50% cross.

 

If you wish the hens to hold the flying trait more hen, just reverse the whole combination.

 

Now within this combination I specifically chose the Coljito (Gaditano/Marchenero) cocks because firstly I wanted to lighten the body weight, from that of a typical racer, to something that is more buoyant and clap/glide in a more slower pace if needed, which you get from crossing these types of specific cropper, without necessarily losing the wing muscle, provided you are running the pure cock through the flying/cross hen. And secondly of what I call the “magnetized effect†that crosses from these birds produce when the right amount of blood is put in with the other ingredients. Too much and the birds lose the flying power, becomes too showy, to little and the “magnetized effect†is not in evidence.

 

The Coljito (Gaditano or Marchenero) has proved to be the one to hold this when put through my combination.

Well what’s the “magnetized effect†well as the name of one of my pigeons called RADAR will suggest, these combination birds, once excited and in flow, will lock on to a bird in the sky and without the benefit of a courtship dance, stick to that bird like a magnet and fly with her for mile after mile, out of sight, often the bird being pursued is oblivious to what’s going on and is simply flying home or back to a roost! The cropper is as if paralyzed by some magnetic force, unable to pull itself away, until the moment when the hen signals her interest, at which point the “drag†back to the loft will begin. Some times they capture sometimes not, as often they are chasing a cock, and will not find this out, because there was not courtships dance., until the birds alights many miles away.

Such is the homing instinct they always find there way back.

 

Often with other breeds of croppers ( pure breeds) I have had, they may try to turn the subject a few times early on, but often not commit to a blind chase out of sight to the back of beyond for miles if the subject is not in the mood or has not signaled any encouragement.

 

However when the “magnetized effect†is evident the a blind chase ensues, and at worst if no capture, your pigeon gets to motor out for a few miles of good exercise, with very little input or training from you.

 

The other benefit is that when he does lock onto an available hen, she hasn’t much hope of getting away, as he keeps up with and turns and turns and turns, no matter how far out the bird rakes.

 

There are no doubt other combinations that have proved good and others that are yet to found, however it took me many years of playing about, to find this balance and I hope by sharing this with you, it can be tried by you, and enjoyed by you.

 

Ps if anyone has other strains/families, we would love you to share them with us, equally if you have tried something different, a particular cross etc , please share it with our members.

 

Happy flying

 

Anthony

International/marketing liaison officer

All flying cropper club

 

some people will believe anything: well thats what Anthony Kellers said to me at the SIS Club dinner in Den Hague 2009

 

To go one better look at what the yanks or at least a few are saying about this evolution in pouters: just google circus lofts.

[franny41]

some people will believe anything: well thats what Anthony Kellers said to me at the SIS Club dinner in Den Hague 2009

 

To go one better look at what the yanks or at least a few are saying about this evolution in pouters: just google circus lofts.

 

 

 

I don't need to google anything mate as i'm one of lifes sceptics so i had to try this formula out for myself and have done so with brilliant results i have bred enough of these birds now to give me a good

idea how they perform with there flying and working ability.cheers mate.

[Guest Doade]

I don't need to google anything mate as i'm one of lifes sceptics so i had to try this formula out for myself and have done so with brilliant results i have bred enough of these birds now to give me a good

idea how they perform with there flying and working ability.cheers mate.

 

still to see one that is better than the horseman

[franny41]

still to see one that is better than the horseman

 

Maybe you need to get out more then

[Guest ljb107]

still to see one that is better than the horseman

 

Can't beat watching a nice horseman

[Guest peter4pm]

I know theres alot of cross breeding goes in the pigeon world , personaly its not my cup of tea , however i guess over the years most fancy breeds we have today are indeed the results of crossing this ,that and the other.

And some have caught on while others havent.

But i do know that some cross breeds have resulted in a pigeon which has poor health ect and cant handle much stress and so forth.

 

I guess the point being , there are breeds of pigeons that have been around for over 100 years and have stood the test of time , and whom alot of people still keep and breed.

And im sure that a breed is only recognised as a certain breed if the npa or alike makes it to be so.?

 

The only problem i have with Horseman pouters ...is a % of the people who keep them are nothing more than lowlife theives , it put me off keeping the breed after 8 breakins and countless quality birds stolen time after time , and your always having to look over your shoulder 24/7...thats not pigeon keeping , thats a NIGHTMARE !!

[franny41]

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And im sure that a breed is only recognised as a certain breed if the npa or alike makes it to be so.?

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Well mate I know there is a good amount of people following Anthony's Radar formula or are at the first stage of the process so who needs the npa if these birds are bred for there working ability not to sit in a show pen i have loads of mate who have never been at a show and are not interested either.

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The only problem i have with Horseman pouters ...is a % of the people who keep them are nothing more than lowlife theives , it put me off keeping the breed after 8 breakins and countless quality birds stolen time after time , and your always having to look over your shoulder 24/7...thats not pigeon keeping , thats a NIGHTMARE !!

 

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There are good and bad in all walks of life and i'm sure if you showed your birds and were cleaning up at all the shows i'm sure you would get a visit from the midnight callers you just have to look at the various fancy pigeon sites and read about tom dick and harry being broken into and they're birds being stolen from all over the country (various breeds) not just horseman and then there is the other punters that take birds on loan and don't return them using every excuse under the sun as to why they hav'nt returned them.

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[Guest peter4pm]

Up this neck of the woods franny , Horseman Pouters are the main bird stolen , well above any other breed , as they are easily sold on and never seen again , although as you say lots of other ppl who keep other fancy pigeons also get broken into also.

I just feel , whats the point of keeping something you have to worry about 24/7 ...spoils the enjoyment if you ask me.

And some of the unsavory ppl they bring to your doorstep , asking ...mate have you got any big doo's fur sale . hmmmm ..no i havent ..p*ss off

[franny41]

Up this neck of the woods franny , Horseman Pouters are the main bird stolen , well above any other breed , as they are easily sold on and never seen again , although as you say lots of other ppl who keep other fancy pigeons also get broken into also.

I just feel , whats the point of keeping something you have to worry about 24/7 ...spoils the enjoyment if you ask me.

And some of the unsavory ppl they bring to your doorstep , asking ...mate have you got any big doo's fur sale . hmmmm ..no i havent ..p*ss off

 

Hear what your saying mate that's why only a few very close friends are ever invited too my place the illness that wiped me out at the start of the year through me catching a pouter which i did quarantine is probabily a blessing in disguise as its pushing me towards going into racing.

[Guest peter4pm]

I hearya , its a shame wefeel the need to keep ppl away rather than the opposite.

But thats just society these days , alot of ppls attitudes are fairly down the toilet to say the least.

And its a hard hit to loss most of ones stock to disease no matter how it happens , i know ive been there in 2009 when i lost over 40 birds , and last year lost some young birds with ybs.

It's basicly a hard job keeping the buggers healthy 99% of the time.

 

As for the racing , as you know im racing youngbirds this year , just vaccinated them in fact last week , yet another vice one needs to do these days.

[franny41]

still to see one that is better than the horseman

 

 

 

 

THE RADAR POUTER THE ULTIMATE IN THIEF POUTERS.

 

I'd like to see a Horseman do this!!!!!!!!!!

 

Quote:

 

Posted by the president of the All Flying Cropper Club: Dennis Murray

 

"About 18 months ago Anthony Kellers lost the original Radar doo whilst on the hant to his new address in Dorset. This is 150 miles away from his old address. On Saturday a lady rang me to say "I have found a bird with your ring on it" The lady lived in the same street that Anthony used to before he moved. She described the bird and quoted the details on the ring...it was RADAR.

 

The bird had flown 150 miles and survived in the wild for 18 months. The lady caught it because radar fell down her chimney.

 

I told her that Anthony would definitely want this bird and he would ring her. Anthony only got my answer phone message on Monday and rang the lady... she had only gone and let it go. Anthony was gutted!

 

Some doo though.... 150 miler...what a goer. "

[Guest Doade]

THE RADAR POUTER THE ULTIMATE IN THIEF POUTERS.

 

I'd like to see a Horseman do this!!!!!!!!!!

 

Quote:

 

Posted by the president of the All Flying Cropper Club: Dennis Murray

 

"About 18 months ago Anthony Kellers lost the original Radar doo whilst on the hant to his new address in Dorset. This is 150 miles away from his old address. On Saturday a lady rang me to say "I have found a bird with your ring on it" The lady lived in the same street that Anthony used to before he moved. She described the bird and quoted the details on the ring...it was RADAR.

 

The bird had flown 150 miles and survived in the wild for 18 months. The lady caught it because radar fell down her chimney.

 

I told her that Anthony would definitely want this bird and he would ring her. Anthony only got my answer phone message on Monday and rang the lady... she had only gone and let it go. Anthony was gutted!

 

Some doo though.... 150 miler...what a goer. "

 

So what was said was that the doo headed home,was lost, fell down a chimney, the woman released it and it did not have the brains to go back to his new pitch ?

How in heavens earth does that make it the ultimate thief pouter

[Guest beautyhomer]

For a new breed of pigeon to be recognised they must be able to replicate themselves consistently.

 

From what I have read in the posts above the radar system is just producing a F2 cross for its performing abilities.If 2 of these were paired together the offspring would all be different showing various traits of their grandparents and can therefore not be regarded as a new breed.

[Guest Doade]

For a new breed of pigeon to be recognised they must be able to replicate themselves consistently.

 

From what I have read in the posts above the radar system is just producing a F2 cross for its performing abilities.If 2 of these were paired together the offspring would all be different showing various traits of their grandparents and can therefore not be regarded as a new breed.

 

 

Cheers for your input. I have never seen 2 produced the same as stated plus some have never seen a pure laudino/marchenero or gaditano and yet say they have used the FORMULA what a load of nonsense

[franny41]

So what was said was that the doo headed home,was lost, fell down a chimney, the woman released it and it did not have the brains to go back to his new pitch ?

How in heavens earth does that make it the ultimate thief pouter

 

 

THE RADAR POUTER THE ULTIMATE IN THIEF POUTERS.

 

 

Racing pigeons are released from a new area week after week and have the brains to go back home too there orininal loft i would not fault a doo for shooting back as i recall Radar was blown down the chimney. This was confirmed by Dennis in a phone conversation to me.

 

To answer showhomer??? i don't think anybody is looking for show standard recognition infact it would probabily ruin the breed. this breed was produced by Anthony Kellers for its working ability nothing more i don't know how anyone can judge a pigeons working ability in a show pen!!

[Guest peter4pm]

Franny , I think the whole point thats trying to be made here is that , your actualy refering to this pigeon as an actual breed , when infact its a crossbreed , so should be addressed as such , maybe im way off the mark , Like if you breed a horseman with a gaditano for instance ..it be a horseman , gaddie cross

just an oppinion is all.

[Guest beautyhomer]

THE RADAR POUTER THE ULTIMATE IN THIEF POUTERS. :music

 

To answer showhomer??? i don't think anybody is looking for show standard recognition infact it would probabily ruin the breed. this breed was produced by Anthony Kellers for its working ability nothing more i don't know how anyone can judge a pigeons working ability in a show pen!!

 

Fanny41,

 

I never mentioned anything about a show standard,I just stated that the characteristics of a breed is the ability to replicate itself which I doubt these F2 crosses could do with any consistency.There are several breeds that do not have a standard but we all know what they look like!!

 

You have explained the first two crosses to get to a RADAR POUTER what do you propose these are then paired to,to maintain the working ability.