Guest stb Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Have voted yes because it is for the betterment of the sport that fanciers in general breed from yearlings that have been tested as young birds, for me one of the biggest problems with young bird losses are generation after generation are not raced as young birds but bred from as yearlings.good point gareth but why would you want to breed out of untried yearlings anyway , think they would have to do a bit before you would even consider them for breeding.
Craig05 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 i have a team of 25 late breds that are only starting to take to the air now. some of them havent come out of the loft yet. the plan is to train them to 70 miles this year and then let them have a good moult. i will train them again early next year and allow them to race the first 5 or so old bird races next year up to 260 miles, and then stop them and race the team i am racing in this years yb races the rest of the program. i have no idea whether its going to work but must admit that babies bred during the summer months and kept on natural just look so much healtheir than the early bred youngsters. so in short these late breds will have their yb races next year as yearlings and then will race the full program as two year olds for the first time.
Guest strapper Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 youngsters have to have the experience to go on in later years. training hard will only be the exception with youngsters if not raced. immiterial wether the youngbird is out of the best you can get....it still needs experience of returning to the loft....racing or training...it has to have one.
Guest Owen Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 The idea of not racing young birds is old fashioned and bad for the sport. Since young bird racing became profitable and the technique of darkness became the norm, people began to breed from their best young birds. The result has transformed pigeons. These days we see yearlings that win at all distances and are generally better than old birds. Birds are now faster maturing and far more capable than they were years ago. The only way forward is to breed from the best performers, or be left behind. But there is a gap opening up between those who breed from their successful young birds and yearlings and those who do not. I believe that in the future, the people who have got it right will reap the rewards and dominate those who do not understand what they have to do. You can see the start of it now because it is becoming more and more difficult to find good pigeons. Breeding from potential birds with nothing behind them is only going to set you back even further. Buying birds from Studs and breeding from second third or more non-performers is setting you back and giving the initiative to your competitors. So to answer the question. You must breed early young birds, train them well and fly to a system. Then breed from the ones who can do the job. That way you will stay in touch. Messing about by giving them a slap happy life will not be a very good way of finding that piece of gold we are all looking for.
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 good point gareth but why would you want to breed out of untried yearlings anyway , think they would have to do a bit before you would even consider them for breeding. Some of the yearlings are summer bred or latebreds and as such are bred from the my best pigeons which in turn have been very succesful in racing or breeding, many of my best racing pigeons have been bred this way from yearlings with pedigrees, no problem with fanciers doing this but fanciers are breeding from untried yearlings generation after generation.
REDROCKET Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 best part of racing in my books cant beat the excitment and the buzz when there dropping from the heavens.
Novice Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 dont think dennis anderson is chasing club averages,but last year he won best average all scottish national races including YOUNG BIRD NATIONAL thats maybe why he competes in 1 yb race and after all these years of losing young birds from lockerbie and gretna why are you guys still racing from there????????? i have learned my lesson and am now sitting with a healthy team of yearlings. ;) :) Hi sorry if I worded my response to make you think that Dennis Anderson was chasing averages. That was not what I implied. I meant that any fancier chasing club and fed averages especially committing all their youngsters could have devastating results for their loft's future. Racing from west ---I am not sure about the logic behind this years programme but I believe there will be a special meeting tomorrow night to consider the way ahead for 2009.
alec guinness Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Hi sorry if I worded my response to make you think that Dennis Anderson was chasing averages. That was not what I implied. I meant that any fancier chasing club and fed averages especially committing all their youngsters could have devastating results for their loft's future. Racing from west ---I am not sure about the logic behind this years programme but I believe there will be a special meeting tomorrow night to consider the way ahead for 2009. no problem,programme wise you guys have your work cut out. :-/ :-/
Guest stb Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Some of the yearlings are summer bred or latebreds and as such are bred from the my best pigeons which in turn have been very succesful in racing or breeding, many of my best racing pigeons have been bred this way from yearlings with pedigrees, no problem with fanciers doing this but fanciers are breeding from untried yearlings generation after generation. yip would agree the late ones of your best are the ones bred from the tried and tested which is right but as ou say to breed from untried yearlings just to get ybs waste of time. doing this you find by end of the yearlings racing you have a lot of orphans in the loft and so it continues.
mac1 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 i dont think they need to be raced as long as there trained hard as young bird. i think the same
willow Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Hello , my bird at the race was a yb she has not come back yet , i am a novice but what i can't quite get my head around is this . all birds have a chance to win a race i think as it is the breed in them to get home and with training them they pick out landmarks to achieve this , correct me if i am wrong here .What i fail to grasp is this , if it is a race with all birds having a fair chance to win why is it that some birds young or old have to fly much further than others to win that same race ? So the further they have to fly surely the better the bird has to be ? For instance my bird had to fly a lot further to Dundee than a bird say in the borders ,so the borders bird may have a better chance as the weather may change the further north the bird has to travel to get home ,slowing it down with more miles yet to fly .So if its a young bird or an old bird its chances are still not as good in my opinion to get back further away than a bird closer as they have to fly many more miles .Why is the race not the same miles for all the birds given them all the same flying miles and a better chance of winning . ? Willow
Chris Little Posted July 21, 2009 Author Report Posted July 21, 2009 An overwhelming 'yes' in the poll as expected. My conclusion is sprint and long distance youngsters can be managed differently. Youngsters deemed for long distance racing needn't be hammered in their year of birth, if that means no racing so be it as long as they are well schooled from a numerous challenging training regime. One huge plus is they will not be exposed to the perils of the transporter such as catching ybs etc. I keep using Dennis Anderson as an example as he has had another great year in the SNFC. Another good friend of mine who I regard as the best long distance flyer in the NFC seldomly races his youngsters either.....
Guest stb Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 The idea of not racing young birds is old fashioned and bad for the sport. Since young bird racing became profitable owen must be on a different planet from you. when did yb racing become profitable????? at most nowadays you get 2 bob and a ballon for it and thats usually a burst one. dont rmember it ever being profitable here. dont think the idea of not racing yb is old fashioned. think with all the trouble with yb nowadays and the horrific loses more and more fanciers are going this way and only training them. Going back 20 and 30 years i think most ybs went to the end and a lot were left. unless you are extremly lucky nowadays most dissapear.
hotrod Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 i think this is a good thread chris ,but it might of been better with an option of raced once or twice in between no racing and raced out ,jmo ,my opinion would most definately have been raced once or twice ,but as there is no option i will say no they dont need to be raced as long as they are trained most of my best birds never raced as y/birds
Guest bigjohnwadd Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 That`s what pigeon racing is all about,there are some scottish national winners who fly shorter than some english fanciers at the same racepoint,makes you laugh
Leroy Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Can i just say that as a new starter and hoping to race for my 1st season next year, this is an excellent thread and very helpful. It has changed my mind as to how i am going to start! Thankyou everyone who has posted Lee
Guest stb Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 That`s what pigeon racing is all about,there are some scottish national winners who fly shorter than some english fanciers at the same racepoint,makes you laugh thot this thread was about racing yb . whats distances got to do with it :-/ :-/ :-/
willow Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Surely distances has everything to do with it stb , thats what racing is all about . all i am saying is why in the same race do some birds have to fly further to win the same race .Its the only sport where i know that this happens .Does every other sport do this , does a swimmer or runner have to go further then the next to win a race ? Sometimes there is a young race and an older age race making a bit of difference , But in pigeon racing its a bit confussing to a novice when my bird a yb had to fly much further than the bird in the borders ,but if she only had to fly to the borders she maybe would have a better chance of winning ....in my opinion .
ferry1 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Surely distances has everything to do with it stb , thats what racing is all about . all i am saying is why in the same race do some birds have to fly further to win the same race .Its the only sport where i know that this happens .Does every other sport do this , does a swimmer or runner have to go further then the next to win a race ? Sometimes there is a young race and an older age race making a bit of difference , But in pigeon racing its a bit confussing to a novice when my bird a yb had to fly much further than the bird in the borders ,but if she only had to fly to the borders she maybe would have a better chance of winning ....in my opinion . move to the borders then :-/
Guest bakes Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 every loft is different number of miles from each other thats why you have your area sections east,north east,south east,west,north west,south west,south centre
Guest stb Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Surely distances has everything to do with it stb , thats what racing is all about . all i am saying is why in the same race do some birds have to fly further to win the same race .Its the only sport where i know that this happens .Does every other sport do this , does a swimmer or runner have to go further then the next to win a race ? Sometimes there is a young race and an older age race making a bit of difference , But in pigeon racing its a bit confussing to a novice when my bird a yb had to fly much further than the bird in the borders ,but if she only had to fly to the borders she maybe would have a better chance of winning ....in my opinion .well what about the guys up north in frazerburgh maybe if they stayed in dundee they would have got them quicker or more would have made it, hey thats pigeon racing, maybe you should try one loft racing if you think its unfair that say the borders fly less than you. but remember there are lots of people who fly further. anyway this is of topic its about racing y b or not. Start another thread for race distances .
Guest kev d Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 ive not raced yb now for four seasons just trained them up to 30 miles and some times not botherd at all when i was racing yb i still had the same losses when they became yearlings . like some one said ealier they have either got it or not . this season i started with 17 yearlings unraced as yb and no trining but come start of this season before my first race and that was the nfc fourgers 204 miles there first ever race i sent 6 and got 4 back first one doing 4hrs 24 mins the other 3 come during the day . i should have said before the race they had at least 15 chucks up to 50 miles yes i lost some up to now they have had two nfc races and two are going to saintes on sat with the nfc 380 miles to me and they are unraced as yb so to me it works but thats just me , cheers kev
Taylorsloft Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 Having Missed the first two races for the first time in prob 35 years due the losses every year might not send this year just keep training
topmanlee Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 thats wot they are breed for to race make thm go all the way
hotrod Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 ive not raced yb now for four seasons just trained them up to 30 miles and some times not botherd at all when i was racing yb i still had the same losses when they became yearlings . like some one said ealier they have either got it or not . this season i started with 17 yearlings unraced as yb and no trining but come start of this season before my first race and that was the nfc fourgers 204 miles there first ever race i sent 6 and got 4 back first one doing 4hrs 24 mins the other 3 come during the day . i should have said before the race they had at least 15 chucks up to 50 miles yes i lost some up to now they have had two nfc races and two are going to saintes on sat with the nfc 380 miles to me and they are unraced as yb so to me it works but thats just me , cheers kev roads and rome kev ;)good luck at saintes
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