Paratyphoid! Can it be stopped?
#401 GuestIB_*
Posted 27 January 2010 - 23:40 PM
In a letter from DEFRA dated 5th January 2010, they leave little doubt that they are interested in Salmonella infection in racing pigeons 'which may spread from pigeons to poultry such as breeding and laying chickens. In commercial laying and breeding flocks, isolations of these types of Salmonella would result in culling of breeding flocks or culling / egg restrictions in laying flocks, due to EU and national legislation for control of Salmonella and the protection of public health.'
I have asked for further clarification on the figures given to me for incidents of Salmonella reported in racing pigeons in Britain, 1st January 2005 to 1st December 2009, but this is what DEFRA's stats say:-
2005 - 2
2006 - 1
2007 - 5
2008 - 25
2009 - 4
'The figures provided indicate that there was an increase in the number of reported incidents in 2008. We do not know the reason behind this.'
#402
Posted 27 January 2010 - 23:45 PM
holmsidelofts said:
If the birds get it in the leg or wing joints they are finished even if treated as the joints are irreparable. As for de weerd his only interest in salmonella is to sell parastop to people he isnt gonna give advice to vaccinate as he would loose hundreds of thousands on a product that most people on here say is poor anyway. I cant comment on parastop as ive never used it and will never use it, i will continue as others like owen have said and will follow the advice of the experts. Im no expert and dont pretend to be. I have a big interest in pigeon health and thats it. You to pigeonscout are no expert either all we can do is give advice based upon what we know and its up to others to make up there mind to what they want to do.
thats cheered me up i was told they would race fine after clearing it with baytril ??)
#403
Posted 27 January 2010 - 23:48 PM
pigeonscout said:
I never said you were talking crap, i said you have an opinion the same as i have one, i said you are no professional expert like i am not all im saying is its up to people to make up there minds on this subject, there is 2 schools of thought on the treatment before vaccine. one is to get the birds tested, the other is to treat blind before vaccine they dont all say treat before vaccinating there is no point in treating for something you havent got. my advice would always be get them properly tested first by a proper lab that can tell you for certain before hand if you have it, theres to much blind treatment going on thats not required and is not doing the bird any good. if you birds dont have salmonella then you dont have to treat before vaccination and thats fact.
#404
Posted 27 January 2010 - 23:50 PM
frank-123 said:
If a bird has salmonella in the joints of the wings or legs baytril will get rid of the salmonella but it wont repair the damage done to the joints, they will always be swollen and your chances of that bird competing again is slim.
#407
Posted 28 January 2010 - 00:07 AM
holmsidelofts said:
Go to reply 18 of 63 on page 4 / 19 down and tell me you did not say that the fact I stated was a load of crap.
#408
Posted 28 January 2010 - 00:19 AM
pigeonscout said:
I do stand corrected on that and i apologise for that comment, but i still disagree with what you are saying, but you are entitled to your opinion the same as i am and we have to respect each others opinions and let others make up there mind on this subject.
#409
Posted 28 January 2010 - 00:26 AM
ch pied said:
#410
Posted 28 January 2010 - 00:52 AM
holmsidelofts said:
What do you disagree with? as all i have said is the vaccine does not stop them from getting Paratyphoid and it will not kill 90 to 100% of your birds.
#411
Posted 28 January 2010 - 01:14 AM
pigeonscout said:
And i agree with you on that, what i disagree with is that although the vaccine is not 100% guaranteed to stop salmonella the benefits out way the negatives.
A quote from Dr Wim Peters on the subject:
pigeons not infected already should not react badly from vaccination, from this question we know that the fancier vaccinates his pigeons every year, so we can suppose that a loft has a good general state of health. in such circumstances the disadvantages of vaccination against salmonella are minimal and the advantages far exceed the disadvantages. so after vaccination the pigeons condition should improve greatly and their results also better.
Page 271 of Dr Zolts Talaber's book vets tips for fanciers.
#412 GuestIB_*
Posted 28 January 2010 - 07:30 AM
frank-123 said:
I was told infected joints never heal, they always seize up. The other thing about Baytril is it has a warning that it can damage cartilage. Joints are made of cartilage.
#413
Posted 28 January 2010 - 14:10 PM
holmsidelofts said:
A quote from Dr Wim Peters on the subject:
pigeons not infected already should not react badly from vaccination, from this question we know that the fancier vaccinates his pigeons every year, so we can suppose that a loft has a good general state of health. in such circumstances the disadvantages of vaccination against salmonella are minimal and the advantages far exceed the disadvantages. so after vaccination the pigeons condition should improve greatly and their results also better.
Page 271 of Dr Zolts Talaber's book vets tips for fanciers.
Does he say why a healthy birds condition should improve after vaccination.
#414
Posted 28 January 2010 - 17:22 PM
pigeonscout said:
No he doesnt mate which is quite strange. but he is one of the vets who have been on the fence so to speak about if you should vaccinate or not, I have vaccinated for 3 years straight now and never had one bird show any illness to the vaccine . but its important that you vaccinate a second time within 4 weeks of the first and thats with all dead vaccines including PMV but fanciers aint always told that and that i feel is one of the reasons you get varied results from vaccinations and that includes PMV. Quite interesting now that the WHU have decided to make it non compulsory to vaccinate old birds against PMV you only need to vaccinate youngster. It will be interesting to see if theres a rise in PMV over the next few years as we have seen a rise already before this came in. I will continue to vaccinate for PMV as i feel for the cost of £20 its not worth the risk, I had PMV in the 80s and i wouldnt want it again.
Jas.
#415
Posted 28 January 2010 - 18:20 PM