Paratyphoid! Can it be stopped?
#1 GuestVic_*
Posted 15 September 2008 - 21:26 PM
whatsoever, perfect looking, but pass it on when breeding commences. This could even be part of the reason, why ybs are dropping like flies. Any comments most welcome.
#3
Posted 15 September 2008 - 21:36 PM
Vic said:
whatsoever, perfect looking, but pass it on when breeding commences. This could even be part of the reason, why ybs are dropping like flies. Any comments most welcome.
vic as u know this is a posh word for salmonella.
most will look at the name and think oh god wots that?
but its most probably visited most lofts over a period of time and treated for summut else.
i think there is a need to treat for it b4 breeding commences,along with other treatments given at that time of the year.
i believe rats and mice carry it and we all know how they get about so easily!
i think one way that it gets into the loft is by birds picking up outside the lofts where rats/mice have urinated there.
and how many of us allow our birds to do that?
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#5
Posted 15 September 2008 - 22:57 PM
strapper said:
most will look at the name and think oh god wots that?
but its most probably visited most lofts over a period of time and treated for summut else.
i think there is a need to treat for it b4 breeding commences,along with other treatments given at that time of the year.
i believe rats and mice carry it and we all know how they get about so easily!
i think one way that it gets into the loft is by birds picking up outside the lofts where rats/mice have urinated there.
and how many of us allow our birds to do that?
If it is the fancy name for salmonella it is present in a lot of species including ourselves, there are test results that show it present in a lot places including hospitals and computer key boards.
Humans can catch it and be rid of it, they can also be carriers for life in some cases :-/

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#6
Posted 16 September 2008 - 06:40 AM
#8
Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:20 AM
#9
Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:23 AM
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#10
Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:26 AM
Is salmonella and Paratyphoid the same. I dont think so salmonella is the causitive agent and paratyphoid is the outcome. Pigeons have two varieties of salmonella both specific to pigeons. Once birds become carriers then a problem arises the only way to eradicate it is to cull what shows signs and we know this will not happen. Rats and mice have been around our birds for years and there is now way on this earth you can exclude mice from a pigeon loft unless you have a totally built in loft which would not be condusive to keeping pigeons. Something has changed this year that is for sure not too sure if all the birds lost this year are "sick" birds.
Just my thoughts.
If you watch Keeping pigeons healthy by Armand Scheers he states paratyphoid is a "Winter" disease hence why they are treated for salmonella before breeding. Dont forget Salmonella is a bacteria and the key is good sanitation and the best for this has to be Virkon S as it will destroy salmonella
#11
Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:28 AM
Signs to look for are
1. Bad moult blood quills
2. Bad Hatch, dead in shell, babies dying in nest.
3. Dropped floppy wing.
Only one cure for parathyphoid i'm afraid imo
#12
Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:35 AM
johnny11 said:
Is salmonella and Paratyphoid the same. I dont think so salmonella is the causitive agent and paratyphoid is the outcome. Pigeons have two varieties of salmonella both specific to pigeons. Once birds become carriers then a problem arises the only way to eradicate it is to cull what shows signs and we know this will not happen. Rats and mice have been around our birds for years and there is now way on this earth you can exclude mice from a pigeon loft unless you have a totally built in loft which would not be condusive to keeping pigeons. Something has changed this year that is for sure not too sure if all the birds lost this year are "sick" birds.
Just my thoughts.
If you watch Keeping pigeons healthy by Armand Scheers he states paratyphoid is a "Winter" disease hence why they are treated for salmonella before breeding. Dont forget Salmonella is a bacteria and the key is good sanitation and the best for this has to be Virkon S as it will destroy salmonella
good product is virkon i use this myself....i spray it a few times a year throughout my lofts.
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#13
Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:38 AM
strapper said:
As I understand it, anything that contains "good bacteria" such as probiotic live yoghurt, needs to be stuffed into the birds big style. This lines the gut with the good guys, sometimes multi layered, which stops the bad bacteria (salmonella), getting a hold. This is why some people like to keep y/bs' on deep litter, cos' the droppings contain lots of good bacteria. I also understand that some poultry men spray day old chicks with good bacteria, which is then pecked by the chicks, once again lining the gut.
#14
Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:38 AM
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#15
Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:44 AM
When these are the symtoms the disease is easy to identify. But if the disease takes any or all of the other possible courses it can be confused with a host of other pigeon illnesses.
#16
Posted 16 September 2008 - 08:51 AM
the genus salmonella. Approximately 2,300 different strains
of salmonellae have been identified, and these are placed
into groupings called “serovars” on the basis of their antigens
or substances that induce immune response by the host,
such as the production of specific antibody to the antigen.
Current taxonomic nomenclature considers the 2,300 different
serovars to be variants of two species,
http://www.nwhc.usgs...l/chapter_9.pdf

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#17 GuestIB_*
Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:20 AM
And as with vaccination, a safe dose will immunise against deadly.
Much the same as e-coli. The one to bother about is 0157.
#18
Posted 16 September 2008 - 11:41 AM
Vic said:
whatsoever, perfect looking, but pass it on when breeding commences. This could even be part of the reason, why ybs are dropping like flies. Any comments most welcome.
having read all the very good posts on this, my beleive is that this desease [as in many deseases ,many types] is the most serious ,often ,unseen desease in pigeons , even a droppings test ,may not give you an accurate result . probably one of the few deseases that can even spread inside the egg, usually resulting in" dead in the shell" but some do hatch , these are actually born carriers , other cariers can be birds that have contracted this desease , mostly due to mice and rats infestations , i,e a bird that may have a drooped wing [having no injury] just a classic example , where , im afraid a lot of fanciers will swear blind "it must have hurt its wing " this bird ,if not put down ,should be thoroghly tested by a good avian vet ,,,however to go on to vics question ,, could this be the reason for yb losses in my opinion i would say this could be just one PART of it, as i think there are many reasons, but paratyphoid ,like many deseases will mutate and change over time , and quite possibly play a PART in the loss in yb,s , in being a" serious and uncontrolable desease" my thoughts are, this can be controlled ,to a certain extent, by loft hygeine ,by having birds tested on a regular basis , rather than be treated willy nilly , which will make any desease mutate, and a far strickter " selection"made to pigeons in any loft .,,as far as yb losses are concerned my thoughts are there are many reasons and like a big jig saw puzzle ,this could be one part
#19
Posted 16 September 2008 - 12:48 PM
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