Feeding for Racing

[jimmy white]

Hi all just after some advice. Last year I raced my old birds on the elite modern system of feeding. Did ok and won some decent results but they seemed to lack something for the middle to long distance events and a lot of corn was wasted as they didn't actually seem to like the stuff. The theory behind it is you fed a high carbs depurative mix at the beginning of the week, then a buildup mix containing protein, then finally a high fat energy mix before basketing.

 

For young bird racing I was feeding Versile Laga Gerry Plus in the mornings with Bamfords Euro Winner Leige on the evening. The idea behind this was giving the birds a high carb mix to fill them full of energy for the intensive training they were getting on the morning and evening. Then filling them up while they were resting with proteins to ensure that their growth wasn't impaired by lack of protein as they are still growing animals and I feel that just Gerry Plus wouldn't have been too good for them. They also got red band which I’m a big believer in for the sprint races. This feeding worked really well and I ended up runner up to the young bird averages and getting decent combine position in the YB National.

 

This year the price of Belgium Corn mixtures has went though the roof with the euro/pound exchange rate situation. I’ve therefore decided to discard the elite modern system as the cost of it is massive and you have four bags of corn on the go at the same time and like I said I felt it was lacking something at the longer distances and the birds didn’t seem to eat it as readily as Gerry Plus.

 

So how for old bird feeding I need a decent feeding system to race with. I will be racing 12 natural hens and a team of 9 widowhood cocks. I have already decided to use Gerry Plus as one of my base racing mixtures as its great stuff. I will be following the feeding schedule of the elite modern system as this did seem to work well but using different mixtures. I need a protein build up mixture however the dilemma I have is was at a pigeon moot and the experts were saying one of the biggest errors you can make is feed too much protein. They also felt that British corn mixtures such as bam fords were poor quality and not as good as Belgium corn.

 

I was going to use Bam fords Eurowinner Leige as my build up mixture for the longer distance events but after hearing the comments at the moot I’m having different thoughts. Perhaps this mixture may be a bit too much protein rich for old bird racing?

 

Whats your thoughts on this and have you any recommendations as to mixtures you have used?

 

So far candidates for my build up mix are:-

 

1.Bamfords Eurowinner Leige

 

2.Bucktons Ultimate with red skinned peanuts

 

3.Versile Laga Best All round

 

4.Bosmolen PLX

 

5.Bosmolen Jet Mix

 

For my fats I was going to use:-

 

1.Red Band as I’m a big believer in it

 

2.Mix extra peanuts in

 

 

Feeding eh!!!!! Most complicated and essential thing to try and get right.

 

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apologies to members,  for transferring some,  off  topic  posts ,, it is very easy to go off topic, then into a personal debate,which then spreads,to other posters,,,    then becomes destructive, rather than instructive.

[Guest karl adams]

this is the best thing vie read on here for a long time it as help me to understand a lot about were i may have gone wrong with the  way vie been feeding my birds

[Runt3]

G'Day all

 

What do you feed your Sprint pigeons

[andy]

I find a Steak Pie Supper on a Saturday Night helps the birds recover quicker.

[JOHNNY WISHBONE]

I find a Steak Pie Supper on a Saturday Night helps the birds recover quicker.

 

After a few beers! ;D ;D ;D

[Runt3]

Thank God  i live in OZ

[OLDYELLOW]

Thank God  i live in OZ

 

that be roo pie then lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Runt3]

Spot on  

[hotrod]

i get a few pigeon men drop in on a sunday mornin during the summer month's , for breakfast, anytime  from 6am onwards they get a full scottish , sausage's, bacon, black pudding, tattie scone,mushrooms, haggis(sliced) tomato, toast and tea and/or coffee, my tesco bill goes up by £20/week at that time of year. if no one comes i put on a few extra pounds lol

[OLDYELLOW]

i get a few pigeon men drop in on a sunday mornin during the summer month's , for breakfast, anytime  from 6am onwards they get a full scottish , sausage's, bacon, black pudding, tattie scone,mushrooms, haggis(sliced) tomato, toast and tea and/or coffee, my tesco bill goes up by £20/week at that time of year. if no one comes i put on a few extra pounds lol

 

was very tempted to move then but 'no sausage and beans' ill stay ere  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

Whats your thoughts on these:

 

Sprint (racing) oil

Creatine

(L-) Carnitine

 

Anyone use them??

[mark croker]

bert brasspenning feeds a mix of 35 grains all year round, i think the best feeding and as much as they can get of it does the trick, with my widowhood cocks i dont take the food away at all and the get high fats towards the end of the week and fed just before basketing,

 

15 mins into flight all carbs are used and the birds start eating in to fat witch sustains the rest of the flight, hope this gives you something to think about  

[hotrod]

 

was very tempted to move then but 'no sausage and beans' ill stay ere  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

yes there is sausage and beans if you wish lol

[mark]

 

Thats misquoting me to say the least Asha I said that the guys at the moot had said too much protein is the biggest mistake you can make in feeding the birds for racing

 

you say to much protein paulo, if the only feed available to a racing pigeon was wheat barley or beans then that is what you would have to feed.the problem today is to many fancy bullshit feeds. the price of food has gone through the roof have a look at page 27 in the homing world march 27th 3.5kg for £21.75p how long would that bag last.

 

[andy Burgess]

I am sure that there are many views on feeding. Like most, I have read the books and taken note of what I've seen top fanciers do.

I still think that at the end of the day it's pigeons that matter. Good pigeons win races and average pigeons win sometimes, when everything is in their favour.

Regardless of feeding, pigeons with cocci, canker, worms or repiritory, don't win.

Years ago there were top fanciers flying at Newport Gwent who fled mostly on chicken corn. And they had yearlings winning the long races.

One top flyer in this area flies on mainly beans. Hopper fed. This partnership has a fantastic record in the Nationals. I am pretty sure they fly the best of M&D Evans pigeons. I know another top flyer who uses hopper fed barley all the week and feeds one of the Versa Laga mixes on the Thursday and Friday. He has been winning multiple positions using a STB clock against a majority using ETS. He is in his late seventies and according to him he has problems catching the birds. It's the birds that win races if they are healthy.

 

look Sota , heres a gem .