bewted Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 i have been reading all this thread and come to one conclusion,,,,,,all the fanciers on here saying to bin them are not doing yourselves any favours at all by saying it here.members of the public read this too,,,what is going to be there opinion of all us fanciers,,,maybe you all should consider what you put on here before you actually put it in print !!! some fanciers are there own worst enemies !!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Bewtd what you are doing regarding stray centre is commendable,and sincerely hope it works,big time,its an indication of how inept our orgz at top level are that something similar hasnt been,mooted and funded by them,in light of amount of failed race birds frequenting public places, as for binning birds,I am sure often there is no alternative to this,I very rarely do so myself,but it does exist,unions says" report and keep confined for at least 14 days" this is not practical for many and varied reasons,not forgetting if you deviate from any of these,you risk suspension,very few,can have stray (pigeons) about the place,illness,feeding,watering,careing for,phone calls,postage,general time consuming,and in90% of cases,the owner doesnt want it back,if it costs them,finance,time,travel,bother of any kind,but personally its our rules that create the situation as it is to day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest karl adams Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 now i can see y it is a dieing sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Unfortunatly Merlin is right! If you don't want em don't breed em! Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 If it cost £10 per bird to race them then how many do you think people would breed then? Sure people would only breed from the best and not 100 hopeing to get the odd good bird! Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 But there lies the problem, quantity and not quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe61 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 RPRA should make it a rule if you dont collect or send for your bird with in 10 working days you get susspended for 12 months and the same 12 months if cought racing a stray oh happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 RPRA should make it a rule if you dont collect or send for your bird with in 10 working days you get susspended for 12 months and the same 12 months if cought racing a stray oh happy days that would be half of the fancy gone in 10 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Got to agree with Les,pointless to introduce something thats not benifical,or workable, not easy to find a solution thats pleasing to everyone,but I am sure there is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe61 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 ok les you say 50%will go here is another idea this is workable merlin give each fancier 50 rings no transfering to other people if you lose them no more till you order your 50 next year cuts down stray problem you can only breed 50 babies a year oh happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chrisss Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 ok les you say 50%will go here is another idea this is workable merlin give each fancier 50 rings no transfering to other people if you lose them no more till you order your 50 next year cuts down stray problem you can only breed 50 babies a year oh happy days then he goes on to ebay[other sites are available]or gets them another way,the problem as i see it is this most strays are not reported,the disposal issue will never go away,the unions have all got rules if you do not claim a lost bird, but they are very rarely enforced,then you have the problem of getting them back,if you lose 4 birds and get them all reported thats £120.00 to get them back,who can afford that now [regardless of fact that if you breed them you should claim them] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMaidment08 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 iagree with chris someone local breeds 150 youngsters as he says some are cannon fodder but he would think again if he had to send for all lost birds the answer is breed 20 thats it and not be allowed no more rings from anywere regardless some clubs have20 bird limit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Would agree with that myself Chris,but dont think it would be passed for many reasons,some being,ring sales,loss of revenue,studs,sales, mostl commericilism I know,but this is the tail thats apparently wagging the dog, then you have the fanciers who rear and fly big teams, its possible also to retain same problems,though on a lesser scale. My own idea would be along the lines,of wait for i,say 1-50 per ring,Unions take only normal price of ring,stary centers subsidised by extra revenue raised,therby all who buy rings are helping out strays,in effect less rings ordered equates to reduction in strays,with centers,to help them other strays being handed,also by fanciers,back to own area,no reporting strays as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chrisss Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 iagree with chris someone local breeds 150 youngsters as he says some are cannon fodder but he would think again if he had to send for all lost birds the answer is breed 20 thats it and not be allowed no more rings from anywere regardless some clubs have20 bird limit i think some of the pigeon dvds and videos/books are to blame[to a small degree]if you look at these and listen to "the big boys" when they are asked how many do you breed? the answer is normally 150 plus, most guys will look at that and think thats the way forward,the only way out of this is to enforce the rules that we have,but then pigeon racing would die even faster, as no one can afford to take a hit on too many birds,the way the price of petrol and corn is going up the numbers bred each year will fall of [so in theory less strays?]the days of breeding 20 yb are gone for ever,the rule should change so that if a non fancier reports it you must get it back [like it is now?] but if a fancier gets it you should be able to sort it out between yourselfs [which happens anyway] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMaidment08 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 i agree but it will never change untill we all stand up and not to quoate maney ijust want to fly my birds but question and demand action i should be a union man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 i only breed 30 to 40 and very little losses i did breed more i find at the end of the year u will have the same amount left any way i only have a few stock birds so it helps and i compete ok with this amount although i will say i really dont go out to win young bird races as i love racing old cocks all i can say is if u usually rear 60 young ones just try rearing 40 and id be willing to bet ure percentages of losses will be lower and your young will be healthier one piece of advice keep as little stock birds as possible ask yourself if a hen OR cock if there are no young left after 2 years with a differnt bird are they going to improve the third year this is the way i see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy white Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 if a young bird came in to your loft and it would not go the next day and was wing stamped what would you do with it put it in the lost section on p,b , after a day [if no info] report it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 i was told by a neighbour that a friend of his had been feeding/watering a stray and keeping it in her shed when i asked if they wanted me to report it i was told that it had already been reported through the rpra and the owner was going to ring them back :-/ i later found out that the stray ended up dying in the shed after approx 1wk-10 days but they wasnt really suprised as they had already been told by others that fanciers never want them back and in this case they were proved right i did try to explain that some fanciers do want their birds back but somehow after their experience i dont think they believed me debbie ps the owner never did ring them back > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I report all strays and take any nehu and Scotish birds back as far as Sunderland once a fortnight , i also collect my birds when reported when they are collectable, if my bird is with a non fancier i ring the local club secatary to ask if a member can retreve it. People who kill stay pigeons are killing the sport, and the negative publicicity by having a bin it poll on the site is never going to change the publics perception of pigeon flyers. Nice to see the majority on site would try to get the birds nearer to home as i do, a true sportsman would do this and not the bin it approach as it is unsportsman like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest karl adams Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 i always report strays and have all ways given the owner as much help as i can to get the bird back to him without any cost but as from now any birds that come to my lofts will be reported and the owner will have to come to collect it or pay for it to be picked up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelly Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I reported a cracking cock bird tonight, a bit down but an 04 bird and obviously a bit down. The owner made every excuse under the sun to not have the bird back and then made the comment i dread will you bin it for me - needless to say Amtrack will be collecting on Monday. I would happily of got the bird 100 miles closer to him but the attitude stunk. I wont kill a stray unless the bird has serious health issues and even then i will contact the owner to tell them its been killed. Shelley i think its a bit off killing everything even the best pigeons make mistakes - nice to know they will be well looked after by you. Can you read or you totally fooking thick !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmaxlofts Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 i think all young birds deserve a chance there like kids sometimes loose there way id report it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 All birds make mistakes! A bird came into me a few years ago, it had overshot its own loft by about 30 miles. I rang the owner and he came to collect it the next day. The bird then topped the fed the following week and went on to win RPRA awards 2 years running and was named after me! Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy_84 Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 All birds make mistakes! A bird came into me a few years ago, it had overshot its own loft by about 30 miles. I rang the owner and he came to collect it the next day. The bird then topped the fed the following week and went on to win RPRA awards 2 years running and was named after me! Phil this is what i dont understand why not give them a chance and if i had 1 come here i wouldn't be able to destroy it even if owner told me to i think its a disgrace that people are willing to kill their birds for making 1 lousy mistake why not tell the person who it visits to feed it and then release it the next day and see what happens then or is that not how it's done and would the owner keep it or bin it on return anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 All birds make mistakes! A bird came into me a few years ago, it had overshot its own loft by about 30 miles. I rang the owner and he came to collect it the next day. The bird then topped the fed the following week and went on to win RPRA awards 2 years running and was named after me! Phil Fame at last ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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