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Posted 17 November 2019 - 08:42 AM

Do any members consider when buying new birds consider the terrain the birds fly in
Would birds that win on the fast south road races in the south if England do the same in the North of Scotland for example
Or would pigeons that win over the water into the north of England and upwards win in the south where the birds hit the water with only a few hours of daylight to cross compared to facing the French coast early in the day like the northern pigeons
Even to sprint level would fast birds flying into flat area like Lincolnshire win into the Welsh valleys etc

Or do you feel good birds will win anywhere

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 09:07 AM

I do not really take this into account which is my failings. However I do think good birds are good and if they are tested by a good fancier they will get the best out of them. Mjb
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Posted 17 November 2019 - 09:12 AM

I only buy birds from a 20 mile radius around my loft,seems to work ok.

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 12:42 PM

For breeding it's the bloodline which in my case from east coast now flying in the west takes a few years to establish with the loss of some very nice birds ,possibly my most successful line came from Ireland which is tough.

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 15:03 PM

Never done well with unc birds here

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 10:36 AM

View PostWiley, on 17 November 2019 - 15:03 PM, said:

Never done well with unc birds here



I have tried lots of unc birds here I have one hen to show for it she is a good one having bred a fed winner and lots of fed top 10 pigeons and 4 or 5 club winners with different cocks but that's not a great turn out from the amount I tried . I had 6 pairs from one of the very best lofts in that area that win out of turn every year all mine were out of the stock loft of top breeders and not cheap afterb2 years I had one hen that scored in the fed to show for it

For some reason. birds I have tried from the north west of England Staffordshire ,Derbyshire up to Liverpool and Manchester the percentage of good ones is much higher
Not really sure why but I have birds from this area that have hit straight away I guess luck must play some part in it

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 10:52 AM

View PostWiley, on 17 November 2019 - 15:03 PM, said:

Never done well with unc birds here


Tom Williams of Orpington seems to have done well with UNC bloodlines, scoring prominently from NFC Tarbes.

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:01 AM

View PostMossgiel, on 18 November 2019 - 10:52 AM, said:

Tom Williams of Orpington seems to have done well with UNC bloodlines, scoring prominently from NFC Tarbes.


Can only speak of my own experience and Ive tried plenty

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 11:04 AM

View PostMossgiel, on 18 November 2019 - 10:52 AM, said:

Tom Williams of Orpington seems to have done well with UNC bloodlines, scoring prominently from NFC Tarbes.



I have never tried distance birds mine are really more up to 350 miles , living on the east of the country I thought they would cover the same terrain racing to the north east in a area of top class fanciers but like Wiley it's not worked for me .

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 12:41 PM

Only birds I have tried from unc were vandenabelle from Ali McLeod of Billingham and they were top notch ,
Distance birds are totally different it takes years to build a family due to the high risk racing but some win for some and not others .

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 14:52 PM

View Posteastcoaster, on 18 November 2019 - 12:41 PM, said:

Only birds I have tried from unc were vandenabelle from Ali McLeod of Billingham and they were top notch ,
Distance birds are totally different it takes years to build a family due to the high risk racing but some win for some and not others .



Was you flying these on a route on the east of the country on the south rd ,the same route as Ali McLeod ?

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Posted 18 November 2019 - 18:53 PM

View Postneila, on 18 November 2019 - 14:52 PM, said:

Was you flying these on a route on the east of the country on the south rd ,the same route as Ali McLeod ?

Yes basically the same line and into east Scotland but only flew them for one season into Lanarkshire area and they won a couple of races and positions at club level then I moved to more distance racing .
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Posted 20 November 2019 - 09:39 AM

Lovely pigeon ,fantastic record takes some doing to win a fed let alone one cock breeding 5 winners

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Posted 21 November 2019 - 22:14 PM

Good question this, and one I thought about when I started up in 2017. I live in Hampshire in the south, and set my sights on 500 mile plus racing-Tarbes with the NFC being my ambition. However being from Scotland originally, and being fascinated / captivated by the writings of Rod Adams and his Bourges obsession, I have built a team of birds from pigeons obtained from the best of the SNFC / UNC distance lofts (Rod Adams, Bob Donaldson of Chevington Drift, and W.Kinnear and son Edinburgh)-all winners of the biggest prize at 500 mile plus in those organisations.
I have yet to test them as I spent the last 2 years getting a team of pigeons ready in sufficient number bred from a nucleus of 5 pairs of the best from these lofts-2020 will be my first year pushing them to see what there made of.
Personally I am convinced that well bred pigeons from tried and tested lofts at the distance will do it, no matter where the water is on the journey-time will tell I guess, but looking forward to the undoubted roller coaster of emotion ahead!
I will update this thread in a few years to come when I have come to a conclusion on this one!

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Posted 26 November 2019 - 19:36 PM

View PostNeilT, on 21 November 2019 - 22:14 PM, said:

Good question this, and one I thought about when I started up in 2017. I live in Hampshire in the south, and set my sights on 500 mile plus racing-Tarbes with the NFC being my ambition. However being from Scotland originally, and being fascinated / captivated by the writings of Rod Adams and his Bourges obsession, I have built a team of birds from pigeons obtained from the best of the SNFC / UNC distance lofts (Rod Adams, Bob Donaldson of Chevington Drift, and W.Kinnear and son Edinburgh)-all winners of the biggest prize at 500 mile plus in those organisations.
I have yet to test them as I spent the last 2 years getting a team of pigeons ready in sufficient number bred from a nucleus of 5 pairs of the best from these lofts-2020 will be my first year pushing them to see what there made of.
Personally I am convinced that well bred pigeons from tried and tested lofts at the distance will do it, no matter where the water is on the journey-time will tell I guess, but looking forward to the undoubted roller coaster of emotion ahead!
I will update this thread in a few years to come when I have come to a conclusion on this one!



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Posted 25 February 2020 - 17:39 PM

I think we all hope we can buy something that will improve our current stock, but many of us have often gone down the road of paperwork... oh I am sure buying off stock that has done the business is a good way forward, but we are still at risk of our own luck and management.

Personally, I think we need to take a leaf out of the past masters who would go and buy the actual winning birds or the parents.

Just recently, I had the opportunity of purchasing birds that had flown Tarbes into Crewe and where possible, the parents. This was sadly an entire clearance sale, but having prior knowledge and doing some research paid dividends when these Dordin & Biss birds came up.

I can only hope I do them justice.
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Posted 26 February 2020 - 17:56 PM

My best stock cock at the minute is a luella engels and the only water has flew over is the bath.
Bred a few upto 460ish flying with unc.
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