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#1 User is offline   lordcornwallis 

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Posted 28 March 2019 - 17:45 PM

hi I got a pair of blacks at blackpool , I was checking there young and they have a red in the nest ! had black's for a few years but ive never had a red from them ??

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Posted 28 March 2019 - 18:32 PM

View Postlordcornwallis, on 28 March 2019 - 16:45 PM, said:

hi I got a pair of blacks at blackpool , I was checking there young and they have a red in the nest ! had black's for a few years but ive never had a red from them ??

I have a red pied cock that produces pure blacks
He also produces silver mealy /mosaics
When i enquired from my friend who gifted it to me he said its grandfather was black his grandmother a red white flight
The red pied was paired to a blue hen to produce the above mentioned

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Posted 28 March 2019 - 20:27 PM

I am sure pure Black pigeons will produce only pure Black pigeons.

In your case, your pigeons are not pure Black. They are genetically split for Red and the Black is masking this feature. If you are sure that no other pigeon is involved, then this Red YB is recessive to the Black and may be a pure Red, but could also be split and carrying a Red gene.

I am not an expert in pigeon genetics, but suspect this is a case of incomplete dominance. :)
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Posted 28 March 2019 - 20:39 PM

I have pure blacks cocks paired to cheq hen and blue hen I get pure black cocks and black pied hens

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Posted 28 March 2019 - 20:40 PM

I paired a blood red to a pure black both from Dave Delea hoping for a black but got a red cheq and a barless mealy ,second nest I got an almost white and a red gay pied ,then 2 red cheqs.
Paired the barless to a cheq and got a barless and a black so have now paired the black hen to her grandfather the blood red just to see what I get
They are all pure Dave Delea pigeons .
Confused ! me too .

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Posted 28 March 2019 - 21:32 PM

View Posteastcoaster, on 28 March 2019 - 19:40 PM, said:

I paired a blood red to a pure black both from Dave Delea hoping for a black but got a red cheq and a barless mealy ,second nest I got an almost white and a red gay pied ,then 2 red cheqs.
Paired the barless to a cheq and got a barless and a black so have now paired the black hen to her grandfather the blood red just to see what I get
They are all pure Dave Delea pigeons .
Confused ! me too .

Your right Colin, barless they due produce

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Posted 28 March 2019 - 21:32 PM

Paired a blood red cock to a jet black hen myself this year. Half expected a black and a red or black and a mealy youngen. Got a pair of opals! Second round in the nest now curious to see what they throw this time round😂
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Posted 28 March 2019 - 22:44 PM

thanks guys

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 08:23 AM

If your Black's are recessive blacks they will breed only recessive reds. If you had 2 recessive reds they would only breed recessive blacks. The recessive gene will only appear now and again if the birds have been bred with any other colour.

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 09:05 AM

what breed of birds are they ? this would make a difference jan arden and thelan birds both have reds and blacks in breeding same as the old krauth birds

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 09:15 AM

View Postgladiator lofts, on 29 March 2019 - 08:05 AM, said:

what breed of birds are they ? this would make a difference jan arden and thelan birds both have reds and blacks in breeding same as the old krauth birds

The original Black was a Krauth
The Red an original Kirkpatrick

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 10:28 AM

I find the genetics very confusing. I have a mealie hen and a black cock paired together (Lambrechts) and have not had any the same colour. A black hen, mealie cock, blue bar hen last year, lots of broken eggs - but a lovely deep red cock bird is the only one produced so far this year. I still have all three from last year.

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Posted 29 March 2019 - 19:23 PM

Two tumblers my friends

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Posted 17 April 2019 - 21:32 PM

I am looking for a black cockbird if anyone has a spare

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 10:05 AM

View Postyeboah, on 28 March 2019 - 22:32 PM, said:

Your right Colin, barless they due produce

This pair produced a barless mealy and a blood red . What next lol
Was told if I pair 2 barless mealys I will get a black .

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 17:31 PM

My first 2 pigeons I had back in the early 70s were a Blue Cock and Black Hen these were bred from a (65 rung Blue Cock and 70 rung Black Hen) these were my late uncle Sonny Borrill's no1 pair....from my original pair nestmates I bred a Blue Cock....the split them putting the Black Hen to a Cheq Cock and she regularly threw both Black Cocks and Hens...they were good hard day pigeons flying originally North then switched South clocking out to 400 miles North and 480 South

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 21:09 PM

I have now got a barless blue from a barless mealy X blue pied this genetics stuff confuses me .

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Posted 7 July 2019 - 11:17 AM

A lot of misinformation in this thread. First remember that "ash red" (red cheq etc) and "recessive red" (Carneaux etc) are very different.

It is impossible for a pigeon to be "split for" ash red, but they can carry recessive red.

If your blacks throw red, it is likely recessive red and they're both carriers of the gene. Less likely, recessive opal mimicking ash red.

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