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Know some do not call this yellow! It is cock bred from a mealy when paired to a yellow hen.  The Mealy sire was bred from a blue cock when paired to a yellow.
The nestmate to one in photo was silver cheq hen.

The yellow cock in photo was paired to cheq hen(from Red cheq x Mealy) and produced a red cock and yellow hen.

Breeding of pictured cock is Busschaert x an old family believe from Dover area sold in 50's(sorry name slipped me at mo) x Sion

Think you will get Yellows but may be next generation

they look like 2 bluens in the picture

shes a nice hen wayne

Quoted from john niko

shes a nice hen wayne

Its a cock John but thanks.  Sire was 520th in national few years back from Nantes in a west wind I think.  Not sensational I know but good honest bird.  Carded in club.

One in photo not raced loaned to my dad in 2008, back in my loft now

where are yu from wayne and are yu more into your distance i thought the old sion where more of sprint pigeon

John from Ellesmere Shropshire.  Interest in 350 miles plus.  Day races more, favouriteracepoint Saintes(501 miles)  bought the Sion in only because a yellow.  The original Yellow hen g dam of one in photo was good breeding hen for me and wanted keep colour going.  In all honesty I only have a few.  Main family is the Ko Nipius.  Though been buying in Gabys as thought before this season bird flu would spoil the channel, pleased to say I was wrong.  But will hopefully have fun with Gabys and have great team of Ko Nipius and Ko Nipius crosses(with selected channel birds) to race as 2 year olds in 2009

How about yourself?

As i've said before you will not breed yellow from a yellow hen unless the cock carries the yellow gene!
As wayne has said above his yellow was bred from a yellow hen when paired to a mealy cock. The mealy cock was bred from a yellow hen so will carry the yellow gene!
White is always a dilute of something and can throw any colour!

Hi Wayne,
                 Where did you get your base  Ko Nipius from,Bob Mcdonald?,Ken kippax?,if you did,i may have something down here that could well nick into them,i thought about trying myself but just have no room.
    I gather from your posting you like a full days racing type,which may lean towards van riel type,unless really hard day, or i might be able to persuade you have a go at Pau/Tarbes NFC which must be 640mile for you.
                                          

Asha, I brought birds from Ken Kippax's clearance sale but they never done anything for me but birds I had from Bob McDonald flew there socks off!
The McDonald birds were obtained direct back in '87 but the birds i've seen for sale at Blackpool etc since havn't been a patch on the originals that encouraged me to buy from there!
What have you got there?

Phil

Hi Pjc,White is no dilute and can be receissive white,pied,griz,or a combination of 2 or 3 of these types.
    Receive White is just a masking cover,hiding the birds true colour and pattern.

Quoted from asha

Hi Wayne,
                 Where did you get your base  Ko Nipius from,Bob Mcdonald?,Ken kippax?,if you did,i may have something down here that could well nick into them,i thought about trying myself but just have no room.
    I gather from your posting you like a full days racing type,which may lean towards van riel type,unless really hard day, or i might be able to persuade you have a go at Pau/Tarbes NFC which must be 640mile for you.
                                          

asha,,,,when you say van riel,,,do you mean the huskyen van riel(spelling) ?

sorry asha, thats what i meant which is why you can't tell what a white will throw!
And again will only throw dilute if carrying the gene!

Phil

Quoted from Freebird

Also depends on what traits the cock carries. What if the cock also carries dilute? Cocks also carry another colour, don't they? I find genetic stuff very hard to grasp but fascinating.

this is why i love my kirkpatrick family i never no what colour thay will turn out, i have a choc hen that breeds a yellow in every nest but the nest mate is aways of a diferent colour dk ch ,red, mealy, my no 1 stock pair are both pure whites but have not bred whites, always gay red pieds

  same here white hen thats bred whites but has a blue pied & a red pied  08 aswell in each nest

Hi Bewted,
                    Yes that`s right.

Hi Pjc,Recessive white intresting trait,as it maskes true colour and pattern on the birds feather,but more important,takes colour off iris,leaving what we fanciers usually term ,bull eye
   We also know pied has this intresting characteristic,but in many instances,only partly hides oringinal color on feathers ,and iris of eye leaving sections of normal colour showing in the iris.
    If you care to look closely at receissive white eyes,at an angle against sunlight(system shown to myself many years ago to see true eyesign)you notice the iris seems red coloured,but this is only bloodvessels.
   i wonder if the eyesign boys,like Albear have any thoughts on this unusual situation,and would they be able tomake any judgements on the bird in question.
  One other thing,you will still be able to see eyesign direct against the pupil,not colour ,but just darker shade.
    So any thoughts.

      

phil  they are bred to conform to show standards i find them to be light boned light in waight well balanced but not to clever in homeing side maybe its ones i had who knows

Sorry Pjc,I forgot to mention your experience with b macdonald` and kippax birds,which we should remember both these 2 top fanciers had superb families before they even looked at the ko nipius.
   another point to remember,we should never slag off another fanciers birds that does not perform for ourself,simply because,they may be a perfectly good family,but will not work with  our own personal loft enviroment,Although if given time most families from trusted fanciers will bend into the role we need them for,

Quoted from asha

Hi Wayne,
                 Where did you get your base  Ko Nipius from,Bob Mcdonald?,Ken kippax?,if you did,i may have something down here that could well nick into them,i thought about trying myself but just have no room.
    I gather from your posting you like a full days racing type,which may lean towards van riel type,unless really hard day, or i might be able to persuade you have a go at Pau/Tarbes NFC which must be 640mile for you.
                                          

My original bird came from clubmate, believe this came from stock bought fromSouth Wales.  Then bought bird from Barber and Hilson.  Bought birds from PJ lofts, these were Ken Kippax birds.  Then had majority of birds from Alam Winstanley, these are from Louella in early 80's via another fancier.  There is a hint of brackuis in there.
Had a go at Bergerac this year so may push them there.  Tarbes at moment not sure but a team flying Saintes on day consistently is the main aim.
Where you from asha? what birds you got there? and what is your interest?