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are pigeons been tested for drugs and if so where and  should it be part of the rules that so many lofts per fed be tested every year

maybe its a rule allready

pigeons are only tested if objections are made i believe

Quoted from OLDYELLOW

pigeons are only tested if objections are made i believe

shouldent be at least a routine check of winners where  a fed has to send away so many lofts in a year

do checks happen often

very few if any as who would want to be pointing the finger

Quoted from OLDYELLOW

very few if any as who would want to be pointing the finger

ain't it a mad system ain't we so far behind with the money that involved now in racing and the prestige of pigeons winning certain races this so this is totally mad

PART P: PERFORMANCE ENHANCING
199. The Council of the R.P.R.A. shall make
rules and regulations prohibiting the use of
performance enhancing drugs/substances.
Contravention of these rules and regulations
shall entail suspension, for a minimum period
of three years; or expulsion.

you also need to read part g
http://www.rpra.org/Portals/1/RPRA%20Rule%20Book%202008.pdf

in belgem in ithink 2005    85 top breeding lofts were raided and owners arrested for being in possion of drugs used in racing in cludeing speed  anphetamin

where do they get pigeon tested and what the costs

i believe its done by regional secatary then test sent to belgium im not 100% sure , as for costs i think R.P.R.A pick up the tab or the person who made complaint im not 100% sure , a phone call to your regional secatary will give you the right answers , i dont imagine any of the dinosaurs use forums

so u have to put your name to it this is totally mad cant see why there are not routine checks my god what a mad system surely every member would mind paying a extra few bob a year to get birds tested in there area and lofts can be done when a big winner comes up and a loft that flying really well as it stops all rumours all that  
as i belive it happens a good bit in our sport im far from saying that mu pile winners are using far from it but surely every fancier want to know there sport is clean this will become the biggest problem in our sport in the next 5 years  and does anyone here know if there are any testing on don't need names or anything but is there anything been done

and who thinks that there should be so many tests done in a year in there fed i thought that in this day and age  surely this should be a minimum

I believe that every club winner should be tested this could be done easily if via the droppings members would use small crates , absorbant sheets that are used by ambulances for soaking blood up could be quite easily put underneath floor grills and after race these sheets could be tested obviously names of fancier and club would have to be written on the sheets

hi there i have followed some lofts whatching results more so with young birds leaving feds standing if testing was made compulsary results would be different

Test kits are available from the RPRA but i think they are tested in south africa now.
Has anybody been found and proved to be using drugs in the UK?
Everytime i've seen drug test results published they've been clear!

Phil

Quoted from pjc

Test kits are available from the RPRA but i think they are tested in south africa now.
Has anybody been found and proved to be using drugs in the UK?
Everytime i've seen drug test results published they've been clear!

Phil

well im not hear to name names  just cant belive its so relaxed and if u name names the thread could turn into something

but this is totaly mad how relaxed it is

best not to name names but you can have a chat with your regional secatary , im sure they'll advise you

Results are published in the BHW and there are names that have been tested and come up clean. I'm sure a lot of these have been tested as a result of unfounded accusations from jeleous fanciers!

im afraid its all to easy to cover the use of drugs if someone is using drugs all they have to do is use catosal a drug which is high in demand in foreign countrys is epo masked with catosal no trace no matter wat the rpra do there allways be 1 step a head i really cant see the point of it racing for wat we race for over here but some people will do it just to win a fed these days i dont think we should kid ourselves that it dont happen because it does

Quoted from pjc

Results are published in the BHW and there are names that have been tested and come up clean. I'm sure a lot of these have been tested as a result of unfounded accusations from jeleous fanciers!

many years ago, i was rumoured  to have given my birds steroids , unfounded off course, but never tested [and me 8 stone 12  ]  on basketing my birds on the friday, i simply remarked " see those 12 cocks in the basket,,,,,,well they used to be hens"      true,,,, [quieted one jealous fancier ]

does anyone else think that is a comical situation

Do the RPRA really want drug tests to take place?

that i what i was thinking too but dont we all want to know we are in a clean sport

You’ve only got to read the BHW to know that everything’s rosy within the sport. Well that what they’d like us to believe anyway.

aye me i thought it was funny

Quoted from nagid

aye me i thought it was funny

SPEED IS THAT WHAT YOUR USEING.  

Quoted from nogin

SPEED IS THAT WHAT YOUR USEING.  

naw the training van its speed am needing.drugs r 4 mugs  

I know that when you enter pigeons in any SNFC race, you sign that you agree to them being drug tested. And the test also includes testing for the presence of masking drugs.

Can't remember when, but I think there was a published 'report' saying pigeons had been tested and found clear? Also know of one fancier who asked for his returning birds to be tested - and results were clear too.

Personally I think it reflects badly on the Sport's image when such a procedure is thought necessary.

Should be a random testing of all fed's so many a year and every winner of a certain amount of funds should also be tested.Thats just my opinion and no i dont know or even suspect anyone of using drug's but if its done as a mandotory testing then there could be no fingers pointed.

Quoted from IB

I know that when you enter pigeons in any SNFC race, you sign that you agree to them being drug tested. And the test also includes testing for the presence of masking drugs.

Can't remember when, but I think there was a published 'report' saying pigeons had been tested and found clear? Also know of one fancier who asked for his returning birds to be tested - and results were clear too.

Personally I think it reflects badly on the Sport's image when such a procedure is thought necessary.

yes i think this is true re snfc, and with  many other organizations, also,,, sadly this seems to be a sign of the times ,as  in many sports . but regarding pigeon racing , and as ib says , this certainly puts a bad reflection on the pigeon sports image ,,,,,,,,,and as usual its the very small minority, that would even think of this

when drugs are so readily available and people wish to cheat to achieve there goals , then birds should be tested , and those that dont use drugs to enhance there performances would welcome this better to remove all doubt from those that point the finger , than to put up with rumours of the few that cant win against the top flyiers , perhaps if these fanciers spent as much time looking after there birds they would get to the top as well.

Quoted from OLDYELLOW

when drugs are so readily available and people wish to cheat to achieve there goals , then birds should be tested , and those that dont use drugs to enhance there performances would welcome this better to remove all doubt from those that point the finger , than to put up with rumours of the few that cant win against the top flyiers , perhaps if these fanciers spent as much time looking after there birds they would get to the top as well.

Wholeheartedly agree with OldYellow, some people just expect to win without puting in all the hard work that winners obviously put into their birds.

Quoted from naedoos

Wholeheartedly agree with OldYellow, some people just expect to win without puting in all the hard work that winners obviously put into their birds.

it takes very hard work,a lot of thought, , many dissapointments,  to make pigeons win,and more imporantly,,,win regular,  but this is the only way,, anyone not not putting hard work and thought  in to it ,, will get nothing out of it.

  anyone winning races, by not doing this,   would soon be found out [experienced fanciers could tell a mile away], and as someone remarked b4 in this thread,,,,drugs are for mugs ,,,,,,,,,so very true ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but what one has to beware of ,is jealousy , fanciers who are putting, time and effort into their pigeons , and winning with them,, should never be accused , [usually by fanciers who prop up the bar] unless proven,, beyond all doubt ,which would be very easy to do

In almost every other sport random tests are carried out, this does not reflect badly at all on the sport, what reflects badly is if only one is caught the whole sport is tarnished by the media with the tip of the iceberg syndrome.
We were randomly tested also all gold and silver medalists were tested and no stigma attached, you were tapped on the shoulder and asked to accompany and official to give a urine test, sealed and signed buy you and the official or if under 16 your parent or coach had to sign
Drug use is with us whether we like or not, but without any testing it will definitely be used in some form or other, there are scientists out there trying to develop drugs to beat the tests in place in some major sports

The thing with testing them is the lack of clarity involved.

I will stand corrected if im wrong but how many members are actually aware of what is considered an illegal drug for the birds i mean some are obvious but some are not and with all the products that come from the continent how the hell do we know they are all considered legal to use - I dont,i think they are but i cant be certain on it.

I know to issue a list of all banned substances gives incentive to the minority to obtain and use such substances but how otherwise can we be sure we are not all 'Drugging our birds' most days of the week.

A friend of mine was tested by the NRCC a couple of years back, all tests came back negative however not one to be quiet at the best of times he managed to find out some of the products on the list and was shocked by there use in our every day life and 'yes' there was one product on there according to him that i had tried once in the past  but with not knowing what could i have done.

I agree Chris, one product/chemical i can recall a few years back was publicised as being banned for use in racing pigeons was within weeks being openly advertised in the BHW!

Quoted from pjc

I agree Chris, one product/chemical i can recall a few years back was publicised as being banned for use in racing pigeons was within weeks being openly advertised in the BHW!

i aint ever seen the list Phil - Its only from talking to him i know about any of the banned substances and reading on the internet etc etc.

I think maybe back to plain water, garlic, cider vinegar etc etc just to be safe

Quoted from pjc

I agree Chris, one product/chemical i can recall a few years back was publicised as being banned for use in racing pigeons was within weeks being openly advertised in the BHW!

But that is the same with humans and other animals, you get a list of prescribed and off the shelf drugs that contain traces of banned substances and you must avoid them, no excuse allowed even if you can prove your doctor prescribed one for a genuine reason you are still responsible for what is in anything you take

Quoted from vallance lofts

The thing with testing them is the lack of clarity involved.

I will stand corrected if im wrong but how many members are actually aware of what is considered an illegal drug for the birds i mean some are obvious but some are not and with all the products that come from the continent how the hell do we know they are all considered legal to use - I dont,i think they are but i cant be certain on it.

I know to issue a list of all banned substances gives incentive to the minority to obtain and use such substances but how otherwise can we be sure we are not all 'Drugging our birds' most days of the week.

A friend of mine was tested by the NRCC a couple of years back, all tests came back negative however not one to be quiet at the best of times he managed to find out some of the products on the list and was shocked by there use in our every day life and 'yes' there was one product on there according to him that i had tried once in the past  but with not knowing what could i have done.

very true but does tham mean that there should be no checks there should be random checks in every fed  

i argee with old yellows post it says it all

(SEE RULE 199)
PERFORMANCE ENHANCING
DRUGS/SUBSTANCES
1. These Rules are drawn up by the Council of
the Royal Pigeon Racing Association under
the powers granted by virtue of Rule 199.
2. The use in pigeons of the following are
strictly forbidden:
ANABOLIC STEROIDS, BETAAGONISTS,
CORTICO STEROIDS,
ANTI-INFLAMMATORY NONSTEROIDS,
OPIATES, ANALGESICS,
PERFORMANCE ENHANCING
STIMULANTS, SYNTHETIC
HORMONES, ANY DRUG FOUND TO
BE PERFORMANCE ENHANCING
PLUS ANY SUBSTANCE WHICH MAY
BE USED IN AN ATTEMPT TO MASK
the above

Quoted from pjc

(SEE RULE 199)
PERFORMANCE ENHANCING
DRUGS/SUBSTANCES
1. These Rules are drawn up by the Council of
the Royal Pigeon Racing Association under
the powers granted by virtue of Rule 199.
2. The use in pigeons of the following are
strictly forbidden:
ANABOLIC STEROIDS, BETAAGONISTS,
CORTICO STEROIDS,
ANTI-INFLAMMATORY NONSTEROIDS,
OPIATES, ANALGESICS,
PERFORMANCE ENHANCING
STIMULANTS, SYNTHETIC
HORMONES, ANY DRUG FOUND TO
BE PERFORMANCE ENHANCING
PLUS ANY SUBSTANCE WHICH MAY
BE USED IN AN ATTEMPT TO MASK
the above

what the point if theres no tests pointless