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im thinking of buying distance youngsters next year from louella for racing. instead of distance stock from here there everywhere to breed my own younsters am i doing right thing?

if you buy young and you lose them thay are gone but if you buy stock you can breed again thats what i think but its up to you hope it helps

theres enough fanciers around your area or not too far,that you can get better young ones instead of louella !!!

thanks for your reply

Quoted from tippler1

if you buy young and you lose them thay are gone but if you buy stock you can breed again thats what i think but its up to you hope it helps

intend to agree with this also,,,,get your stock now and you can breed your own rather than buy and lose them,but,stock you can breed to replace what you lose !!!

i would buy from off some one who is  racing them  and winning with them

bewted so you would buy younsters instead of stock birds?

I would buy the young and race them personally i wanted a kit of 12 delbars to race this year but he paired up to late for me to use any so i left it for this year.

Look into Scotland for your distance birds think you wont go far wrong

better to buy from flying lofts if you can , save your B.H.W during racing and then read the B.H.W during closed season and see what lofts are performing at the distances you want to improve on , then you'l get good birds but the advice on how to fly the birds you wont get from Louella but you will from most flyers

were you buying the delbars from louella ?

yes i have bought many birds from Louella but if i could get them from a flying loft id be much happier , most of fliers that had Delbars that i liked are no longer here , Jack Roberts , Pete Bolton .................... so sometimes i buy from Louella to get the ones i want , i suppose i could go from Delbars to Belengie Delbar to the modern day Delbar Jos Thornes  or try the Raevens

thanks for your replys just a bit worried about paying good money for a stock bird not turning out any good i know its a gamble

same gamble anywhere you go but im sure you would get better birds from a flying loft as they have been bred from current winners and not generations of untested birds

cheers for that old yellow

think the best delbars around were the birds of staf duserduyn of holland,think he holds the record in holland for the most 1st nat wins think he 's won 16 or 17 1st nat's

i have a pair of cattrysee from louella,s but i only have the certificate of origin but i would like to know the family which they come from ( pedigree ) if i phoned them would the be able to tell me

i would say if these were really special they would come up with the parents i know were people have done well with the 99 for six brought them back then pedigrees appears

Quoted from karl adams

i have a pair of cattrysee from louella,s but i only have the certificate of origin but i would like to know the family which they come from ( pedigree ) if i phoned them would the be able to tell me

give them a ring and have ring numbers i doubt they keep records out of the none pedigree birds , but worth a try if they have bred you something you maybe able to buy the parents

If you buy as youngsters and race them at least you will get a good idea if there any good for stock bird's .But as its been pointed out if you buy stock birds you can breed more youngsters to race.But as allways the pedigree you get is only as true as the person writing it and that applies to every pigeon be it from a big stud or small team fancier.

very true ronnie

I'd buy Louella if I was of mind and nary a worry.
Has bred and sold International winner, both here and abroad! Not many around in my Fed doing that! JMO

I know a very good distance flier from York who buys from louella.
He buys youngsters and races them before thinking bon breeding from them.
He feels that if he buys youngsters and tries them then he will be left with those which suit the type of racing he does and also his management.

would that be Deny

novice thanks for your reply i think this want im trying to say i think i would like stock that have done the distance than a piece of paper

i phoned them up and they say they keep no record of the young birds

i would buy from loullla at the price hey pay for birds then u pay very little one hint is to stay away from 3 4 5 year old birds as these are tried and tested and u have to ask yourself why are they selling at least when u buy a youngster u dont know if its a heap of dirt or a right one up to yourself but for the price u pay a louella thers nottin wrong with them as they buy what they think is the best and pay the money too just a tought even if u buy your stock else where they are a great option to build up your team in your first season  

surprised me what about champion super lou they soon found his pedigree. thats what i was told he was the free one buy 5 get 1 free but they may have keep records back then?

the pair witch i have were given to me last year 07 and they are only 06 birds they have never been out of a loft i have not had any young out of them as they may be nest mates

just try them and if ybs no good split them

Distance Birds eh! Kipps obviously take all the beating. Beautiful coloured and looking birds.
Bacelona Master, Bacelona King, etc. etc. 17 timed in within a couple of minutes (Or was that all 17 within 20 minutes and so many inside 2 minutes!).

dont think it makes alot of difference nest pair just do what old yellow said

yes i have read alot about the kipps birds any body got them

try Frank Sheader

Quoted from Novice

I know a very good distance flier from York who buys from louella.
He buys youngsters and races them before thinking bon breeding from them.
He feels that if he buys youngsters and tries them then he will be left with those which suit the type of racing he does and also his management.

Sounds like the best way to start for me rather than buy stock birds that produce enless duffers. I would recomend Richard Howey from Northampton. I have 2 from 3 youngsters that I bought from him, and I cant ever remember keeping that many from anywhere.

There are pros and cons to both ways if you buy young and fly them at least you will know if they perform my motto about stock birds is if they are GOOD stock why are they being sold ??? try buying some auction birds from a good one loft race most breeders that enter these will not send junk you can see the birds results and as most breeders recive some of the proceeds most will give you information about bloodlines and some will even give pedigrees ( I do ) even though the bird may not have won  the  race most are bred very well

I would recommend Richard Howey my Barcelona bird was bred from a hen from him and i also took 3rd club with one i bought from him in 06 and i believe he has introduced the jan theelans i bought 12 in 06 and i think i had 16 sent very genuine guy

Have sent you a PM.

A first class gent, a wealth of free knowledge, always willing to listen and advice, and argueably the best birds in Europe, with the likes of Ron Williamson.
Take a peekers, and then remember and take into account his loft position.
That says it all.
Some write ups of him.....

http://www.nrcc.co.uk/Racing/RaceReports/Lerwick/tabid/73/language/en-GB/Default.aspx

http://www.nrcc.co.uk/Racing/RaceReports/Thurso/tabid/72/language/en-GB/Default.aspx

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=frankbristow+pigeon&meta=

at the price louella sells them at your onto a winner if you take into account how much it would cost to rare a dozen young birds i.e rings ,jagging and then the feeding of them .if you buy else where i think you will pay a bit more for them only to lose them ,louella would be my choice and obviuosly im thinking of my pocket and yours its worth a gamble.I have won in the past with loella youngins every year i baught them.

Have bought louella Busshearts(Eagleson) a few times(01  02 and 03) all were £99 for 6 and were raced.Still have quite a few of the originals left and have bred some good honest birds out of them.

my dad bought a dozen this year late bred youngsters but he is keeping them as stock if i were you i would do the same buy and use them as stock and breed them for next years racing

good idea i think if i decide to buy from louella i want to race then breed from them get the weaklings out first

yeah but if you lost all of them then you have nothing to breed off waist of money in my eyes at least you got them there to keep breeding for you you aint lost no money then

I wanna tell you a story !!! i once bought 6  motta van hee's ,yb's from louella just after they introduced the £99 for 6  to race. the pigeons arrived, and my heart sank !! . all six were full of lice. as you can imagine i was put off straight away, at the end of that young bird season. treated and raced alongside my own , none were left, from that day i have been very wary buying pigeons from unflown stock, generation after generation ,
i am not knocking louella as i think they do a great job in making champion bloodlines available to the working man , but , my thoughts are after a few years of inbreeding to the champions, it takes a few generations to get the "winning ability " back into the strain . the amount sold has to throw up a certain amount of winners ? , but it would be a low percentage i think ? dave

if i was going for some good distace birds id look no futher than  cloudview and peterpau having visited both id have no doubts about buying some youngsters from  2 honest  distance guys ....