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my dad bought a dozen this year late bred youngsters but he is keeping them as stock if i were you i would do the same buy and use them as stock and breed them for next years racing

good idea i think if i decide to buy from louella i want to race then breed from them get the weaklings out first

yeah but if you lost all of them then you have nothing to breed off waist of money in my eyes at least you got them there to keep breeding for you you aint lost no money then

I wanna tell you a story !!! i once bought 6  motta van hee's ,yb's from louella just after they introduced the £99 for 6  to race. the pigeons arrived, and my heart sank !! . all six were full of lice. as you can imagine i was put off straight away, at the end of that young bird season. treated and raced alongside my own , none were left, from that day i have been very wary buying pigeons from unflown stock, generation after generation ,
i am not knocking louella as i think they do a great job in making champion bloodlines available to the working man , but , my thoughts are after a few years of inbreeding to the champions, it takes a few generations to get the "winning ability " back into the strain . the amount sold has to throw up a certain amount of winners ? , but it would be a low percentage i think ? dave

if i was going for some good distace birds id look no futher than  cloudview and peterpau having visited both id have no doubts about buying some youngsters from  2 honest  distance guys ....

i still think if i got youyngsters of neone to race i would rather breed them them b4 i race them you know then you got something to carry on the family not saying if you lose them tho but its always good to have ones for stok

surprised vallance never mentioned steve stoker delbars cracking looking birds never got nothing off them last year hoping i might get something off them this year they are class got the look of racer show birds

gangster. you may , or may not ? know 18 of my 24Y.B's when i restarted were from stuart (cloudview) this year. i lost one ranging (another returned wired , so i suspect this went the same way that day, one on its 2nd training chuck at 30 mile (she returned 5 week later with the biggest healed up gash you could ever imagine) racing >> has to look in the book >> lost 1, rest here to fly next year, plus 2 later breds that have had 2 chucks from 22 miles, nice medium sized distance birds that hopefully will do the same for me as cloudview, as yearlings this lot will go all the way to 500 mile !! for me

If you buy from louella and want the distance go for the jan aarden birds,theres a lot out there winning with them,my best old janssens came from louella,i have bought some more this year and ime over the moon with them,id have paid a lot more for them else were and these what i got werent cheap.good luck

Les

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gangster. you may , or may not ? know 18 of my 24Y.B's when i restarted were from stuart (cloudview) this year. i lost one ranging (another returned wired , so i suspect this went the same way that day, one on its 2nd training chuck at 30 mile (she returned 5 week later with the biggest healed up gash you could ever imagine) racing >> has to look in the book >> lost 1, rest here to fly next year, plus 2 later breds that have had 2 chucks from 22 miles, nice medium sized distance birds that hopefully will do the same for me as cloudview, as yearlings this lot will go all the way to 500 mile !! for me

yes  stuart did tell me hard 2 lose ands do fly well...goodluck next year with them

Quoted from gangster

if i was going for some good distace birds id look no futher than  cloudview and peterpau having visited both id have no doubts about buying some youngsters from  2 honest  distance guys ....

Bugger me mate, will ya stop it, I only keep a few and none come with a nice long pedigree.
Tiz a nice compliment but, I'm just trying to get re established after moving house. Thanks for your kind words gangter. My birds realy have to work bloody hard and Richard Howey's stood up better than any.

Quoted from OLDYELLOW

would that be Deny

Yes---That's what he said to me several years ago (the year after he had several very good pigeons timed in Section K from Pau). I know he has others from different sources now. His introduction that year was a son of Blue Boy from Lol Green.  

If you buy birds to race at £99 for 6 then pay your money and take your chance its a numbers game and there must be the odd good one!
If you pay them serious money for a suposidly well bred bird then see how keen they are on having a DNA test!!!!

this is from Steve Stoker Delbars!

Quoted from pjc

this is from Steve Stoker Delbars!

some cracking delbars  on elimar at the moment  , i think these are stoker,s delbars plus some winning dordin lines  , which i can personally reccomend as these are the same source as mine

Quoted from van Roberts

good idea i think if i decide to buy from louella i want to race then breed from them get the weaklings out first

Sounds like the right decision to me. I bought a pair from Richard and got third free. Raced the program and got 2 left and they were bloody young, for the first race, still got em and my older ones all went to Lamballe BBC 274 mile. I bought 2 Aardens from Louella also.
Every loft breeds rubbish, so weeding out at every stage for me, and the basket will always be the best judge.

my wife bought me  10 distance ybs from louella this year for my birthday wim van leeuwen birds raced them right trough yb program got 5 left ithink that i have probally weeded out the rubbish performed well very consistant ybs i think these are jan arrden based birds arent they

Quoted from cloudview

some cracking delbars  on elimar at the moment  , i think these are stoker,s delbarsplus some winning dordin lines  , which i can personally reccomend as these are the same source as mine

After speaking to Steve last night - I will be putting 60 Stoker Delbars online over the next 6 weeks we are just waiting for the moult to finish to photograph them - Several of Warrens birds on Elimar at the minute were bred by Steve. If anyone wants more details about the Stoker birds coming up pm me.

Quoted from pjc

this is from Steve Stoker Delbars!

Said before Phil he is a cracker just like his father!

Quoted from schouwman71

If you buy from louella and want the distance go for the jan aarden birds,theres a lot out there winning with them,my best old janssens came from louella,i have bought some more this year and ime over the moon with them,id have paid a lot more for them else were and these what i got werent cheap.good luck

Les

Mr Winkle done very well with the Spirits and Smagd 1 and 2. Just crossed doubled grandchildrens and Robert was his mother's Brother!