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I'd buy Louella if I was of mind and nary a worry.
Has bred and sold International winner, both here and abroad! Not many around in my Fed doing that! JMO

I know a very good distance flier from York who buys from louella.
He buys youngsters and races them before thinking bon breeding from them.
He feels that if he buys youngsters and tries them then he will be left with those which suit the type of racing he does and also his management.

would that be Deny

novice thanks for your reply i think this want im trying to say i think i would like stock that have done the distance than a piece of paper

i phoned them up and they say they keep no record of the young birds

i would buy from loullla at the price hey pay for birds then u pay very little one hint is to stay away from 3 4 5 year old birds as these are tried and tested and u have to ask yourself why are they selling at least when u buy a youngster u dont know if its a heap of dirt or a right one up to yourself but for the price u pay a louella thers nottin wrong with them as they buy what they think is the best and pay the money too just a tought even if u buy your stock else where they are a great option to build up your team in your first season  

surprised me what about champion super lou they soon found his pedigree. thats what i was told he was the free one buy 5 get 1 free but they may have keep records back then?

the pair witch i have were given to me last year 07 and they are only 06 birds they have never been out of a loft i have not had any young out of them as they may be nest mates

just try them and if ybs no good split them

Distance Birds eh! Kipps obviously take all the beating. Beautiful coloured and looking birds.
Bacelona Master, Bacelona King, etc. etc. 17 timed in within a couple of minutes (Or was that all 17 within 20 minutes and so many inside 2 minutes!).

dont think it makes alot of difference nest pair just do what old yellow said

yes i have read alot about the kipps birds any body got them

try Frank Sheader

Quoted from Novice

I know a very good distance flier from York who buys from louella.
He buys youngsters and races them before thinking bon breeding from them.
He feels that if he buys youngsters and tries them then he will be left with those which suit the type of racing he does and also his management.

Sounds like the best way to start for me rather than buy stock birds that produce enless duffers. I would recomend Richard Howey from Northampton. I have 2 from 3 youngsters that I bought from him, and I cant ever remember keeping that many from anywhere.

There are pros and cons to both ways if you buy young and fly them at least you will know if they perform my motto about stock birds is if they are GOOD stock why are they being sold ??? try buying some auction birds from a good one loft race most breeders that enter these will not send junk you can see the birds results and as most breeders recive some of the proceeds most will give you information about bloodlines and some will even give pedigrees ( I do ) even though the bird may not have won  the  race most are bred very well

I would recommend Richard Howey my Barcelona bird was bred from a hen from him and i also took 3rd club with one i bought from him in 06 and i believe he has introduced the jan theelans i bought 12 in 06 and i think i had 16 sent very genuine guy

Have sent you a PM.

A first class gent, a wealth of free knowledge, always willing to listen and advice, and argueably the best birds in Europe, with the likes of Ron Williamson.
Take a peekers, and then remember and take into account his loft position.
That says it all.
Some write ups of him.....

http://www.nrcc.co.uk/Racing/RaceReports/Lerwick/tabid/73/language/en-GB/Default.aspx

http://www.nrcc.co.uk/Racing/RaceReports/Thurso/tabid/72/language/en-GB/Default.aspx

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=frankbristow+pigeon&meta=

at the price louella sells them at your onto a winner if you take into account how much it would cost to rare a dozen young birds i.e rings ,jagging and then the feeding of them .if you buy else where i think you will pay a bit more for them only to lose them ,louella would be my choice and obviuosly im thinking of my pocket and yours its worth a gamble.I have won in the past with loella youngins every year i baught them.

Have bought louella Busshearts(Eagleson) a few times(01  02 and 03) all were £99 for 6 and were raced.Still have quite a few of the originals left and have bred some good honest birds out of them.