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does any body have any info on the grooters of h n w i saw a family of these in the seventies they were chocolate n white grizzles all the cocks were heavy wattled and the hens were long cast in my eyes ideal distance birds

i see them back in the 80`s,,,,beautiful birds,but,not heard of them since or anyone who has them,,,,if,they still exist anymore !!!

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does any body have any info on the grooters of h n w i saw a family of these in the seventies they were chocolate n white grizzles all the cocks were heavy wattled and the hens were long cast in my eyes ideal distance birds

I think they came in all coluors and were reputed to be great long distance birds particularly when the going was tough.
I think I may have seen a small advert for them in the BHW recently.

i dont think you will get them here any more i had h&w grooters back in the early  70 from biil hammond out of chocolate soldier if you want pure grooters you might get them in belgium as mons grooters was belg some people seem to think that the chocolate in the old van den bosche cock of adriaan wouters may contain grooters some where along the way but its never been proved as far as i know so the nearest you will get togrooters could be the meulemans as they carry the chocolate genes

oh happy days

i used to have these many years ago,  i got 6 yb,s from j, williams,gilmerton ,  jim ,sadly deceased now, was very busy with his own bussiness , and with his father failing ,i did his birds for a year , my reward was,  as a lad of  16 years old , these 6 crossed hammond and whitiker grooters , one "the old meally" was the best pigeon i ever owned , this bird bred chocolates in allmost every round [the" old meally " su 63, 28228, was not your normal coloured meally , a rather dirty looking odd coloured bird , very large and with a bold head, this pigeon scored 9 times in races of over 500 miles ,right until the ripe old age of 9 y,o jim williams of gilmerton , off course among his many wins included 1st nat tours 608 miles in one of the hardest races ever, with very few making it home, many of jims pigeons were based on  hammond and whitiker grooters,, off course there was also beglin bros of bo,ness winning nantes nat 600+miles  with "high noon " this being a direct hammond and whiteker grooter

wally pope had grooters yellows and chocolates he died good luck in your quest

thanks for your time folks much appreciated

I brought some of these back in 1985 from a bereavement sale in Kent. we brought 6 5 direct from H&W birds. unfortunately we only got a short time with these as due to the gales of 1987 our stock loft was damaged and all birds were lost. but we did get have 1 cock that won well for us at the distance. and the guy we brought them from won many 500+ races. these were the iron and dark grizzels.

all the best

John