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joshdonlan |
| September 22, 2008, 8:30am |
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Im looking at changing from woodshavings to deep litter sand with lime. What is the ratio of lime to sand? Is kiln dried the best? what are the prices for kiln dried sand and lime like? What depth should i be putting down?
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rodders |
| September 22, 2008, 8:46am |
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best be carefull with sand my m8 bought some had a lot of trouble when vet tests came back turned out foxes and rats had been peeing on sand where it was stored before he bought it |
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joshdonlan |
| September 22, 2008, 9:47am |
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I was thinking of obtaining sand from the builders merchants to try and eradicate this problem. We have some stored in the yard from building but its been there for a few years and its for that reason why im not using it as im not sure if anything has contaminated it. |
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ChrisMaidment08 |
| September 22, 2008, 9:49am |
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i would only use bagged sand kiln dried as you never know what you end up with re birds |
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terry mccarthy |
| September 22, 2008, 9:52am |
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i used play sand u cant beat it no dust at all |
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joshdonlan |
| September 22, 2008, 9:57am |
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what do you guys use on the loft floors? Im not impressed with shavings, they get everywhere, create dust and look dirty after a couple of days |
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IB |
| September 22, 2008, 11:02am |
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I started with bagged sharp sand. It was always damp going onto the floor which I didn't like, and like others I started wondering what yard storage was like and what had been at it; I added agricultural lime. Can't say that I was ever totally satisfied with the result.
I've moved on quite a bit now, I still have 'deep' litter - its lucky if its an inch deep - but I haven't added sand or lime for years; I now add floor dressings, at least once per week, and on Saturdays I spend around 2 hours raking over and sifting all of it through a 1/4 inch sieve, the big stuff is bagged and binned. What is left on the floor is then raked back, and I then add Stalosan or Harker's Loft Treatment, about 3 shakers-full (I use a Harker's shaker for Stalosan too).
The same floor dressings go on the perches and nest box floors, and into and around the rims of the nest bowls too. The perches and nest boxes are cleaned daily, and that is bagged and binned daily. |
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terry mccarthy |
| September 22, 2008, 11:04am |
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1 sack of play sand then 1 bale of easy bedding |
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joshdonlan |
| September 22, 2008, 11:23am |
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IB what deep litter do you use? Thanks |
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| September 22, 2008, 1:14pm |
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IB what deep litter do you use? Thanks
It is not something that you can buy in. I've developed it over 6 years. It feels like ash, reddish-grey in colour. |
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The Navigator |
| September 22, 2008, 1:29pm |
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I use kiln sand mixed with loft teatment and I have never had any issues. Would not be without it. |
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| September 22, 2008, 1:35pm |
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We have grills through the main loft but took them out the stock loft and now have Hemcore down - its the best thing we have found on the market although if i was to use sand have to agree with Terry Mcarthy you wont go far wrong with childrens sand |
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chrisss |
| September 22, 2008, 1:43pm |
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chrissy |
| September 22, 2008, 6:19pm |
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The only safe sand to use is the kiln dried stuff but it's not cheap.I used it for a couple of years and liked it but if it ever gets wet then it was hopeless to dry out and then someone told me it harboured coxi too so combined with that fact and a couple of gale force storms that drove the rain horrizontally into the loft thus having to shovel heavy wet sand out of the loft,then pay a fortune to replace it again that was the end of it!,I use easi bed now and it suits me though that isn't cheap either. |
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| September 22, 2008, 6:23pm |
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The only safe sand to use is the kiln dried stuff but it's not cheap.I used it for a couple of years and liked it but if it ever gets wet then it was hopeless to dry out and then someone told me it harboured coxi too so combined with that fact and a couple of gale force storms that drove the rain horrizontally into the loft thus having to shovel heavy wet sand out of the loft,then pay a fortune to replace it again that was the end of it!,I use easi bed now and it suits me though that isn't cheap either.
You'll not have to worry now Chrissy, Tammy used to be up at 5.30 every morning scraping his lofts  |
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chrissy |
| September 22, 2008, 6:32pm |
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Well he isn't anymore  |
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| September 22, 2008, 6:35pm |
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joshdonlan |
| September 22, 2008, 6:41pm |
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thanks everyone i may consider an alternative. |
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| September 23, 2008, 12:55am |
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Well he isn't anymore 
Please explain !!!!!!!  further. Because ???????? what little treats etc, would Tammy be getting now  that he wasn't receiving before. Enjoy. |
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true deep litter would over a number of years just be cork dry dropping on there own, |
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