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This system contains all you need to knowto keep your birds in perfecthealth without which you will not win races. I will not bore you with pages of bullshit but get straight to the point.
STEP 1 should be carried out with old birds as well as youngsters at least a month to six weeks before racing starts. Vaccination againest paratyphoid/salmonella. this illness is very hard to detect. The pigeons look look OK, train OK but are justthat yard behind the winners. A top Belgian vet has stated that 95% of lofts world wide have this disease in their lofts without knowing it. They have what are known as  carriers, you will not get any good results until this disease is eleminated or kept under control. That is a fact, get them vaccinatednow!! (TRIMETHOPRIM) followed by 5 days withwith any good probiotic and multivit mixed together. after 5 days vaccinate all birds followed by 2 days probiotic and vitamins.
STEP 2 One week to ten days after vaccination treat for canker. we use metronidazole  tablets. make sure any tablets used are200mg not 500mg, cut the tablet into four quarters and use one quarter per day for three days only. please note we give a quarter of a tablet every third week when racing old and young. Do not forget any canker treatment use multivits at any time during the racing season, please note that we do nottreat for cocci as in our food for rasing we use chicken layer pellets which containan anticocci stat.
STEP3 worms, we always treat for worms with mediworm a very good product. one tablet per bird. Always leave approximately one week between treatments.
STEP4 is the treatment for respitory diseasewe treat for five to seven days with doxycycline. The product we use is lased with with multivits so no need for any vits after treatment We use 'doxy' every three to four weeks when racing for two days alternate with canker treatment, one week after return from racetreat for canker the next day, we always use on Sunday and Monday.
STEP5 Is the most important of all. Why do birds lose the edge after a decent result or two? Well the big problem is 9 times out of 10 is fungal or thrush as it is known. unless you treat this for five days you will not get your birds back in racing condition. Fungal problems are mainly brought on by the abuse of antibiotics. We would urge you to use Medistatin which is our preferred treatment for fungal/candida problems. No treatment= crap results!! Simple as that. The nystatin powder we use is the one made specifically for pigeons in the world, good stuff. We use every four weeks ,only if your pigeons are coming ok and our among the prizes treat every six weeks. use this system as stated and if you have any decent pigeons you will be amongst the prizes most weeks (FACT)
Our feeding system is quite simple we always use diet200 on a morning, never depuritive,1/2 oz per bird and Versa Laga Super Widowhood Plus on a night 1 oz approximately.4 x 12 mile training tosses every week for the firast six weeks then 2 a week for the rest of the season. Stick it to it never change (sprint racing only)  cider vineger twice per week oregostim in water (good stuff). Stick to the system details for top results.
STEP6 is our super boost feed for Thursday and Friday morning when racing. Mix a small bag of Homaform(1/2oz per bird), a small bag of golden boost(old hand) 4 bags of ricelong grained from the super market, plus 1 small bag of conditioner (natural) mix all of this together and feed as stated. They will be off like rockets! I guarentee if you stick to this sysem 100% top results will come your way. GOOD LUCK

HOPE THIS HELPS YOU OUT MATE MY DAD GOT IT FROM SOMEONE CALLED JR AND AS YOU SAW IT WORKED FOR HIM ALSO IN THOSE 3 RACES HE HAD BIRDS IN THE FED AND COMBINE SO IT DEFINATELY WORKS LET ME KNOW WAT YOU THINK OF IT

Great advice. I think without a health program today you're cooked. I hate anti biotics but as with humans we have now come to rely on them. There are so many super bugs around that you have to try and keep your birds clean. I would add some  other things. Pro biotics and cider vinegar,  they are excellent products for keeping the gut healthy and they get these at least once a week. I use horse pro biotics they are far cheaper than the ones on the pigeon market. Molasses is also a very good product again you can get it for horses very cheap. Finally to coat my food with the pro biotic I use good old fashioned Cod liver oil. My birds are fed heavy protien however from race 1 because I'm interested in the Channel races, they have hemp on a Thursday every race and once I get to 300 mile hemp and peanuts the 4 days prior to basketing (widowhood cocks).
When vaccinating for paratyphoid I would treat them with baytril 10 days prior to vaccination, this ensures they are 'clean' when vaccinating, only my opinion.

thanks mate interesting would horse stuff not be to strong tho as the size of them compared to our little birds

Just dilute it down. I bought quite a large tub of pro biotics for £7.50 has lasted me two seasons, probably two seasons left. Though I might get rid of because of age and get a new tub next year. Molasses is like red cell (obviously with out all the added bits) etc, again dirt cheap for horses. I even get my cod live r oilf for horses. If yanyone's in to garlic agan go to your local horse stockist far cheaper than the pigeon stuff. As a disclaimer I have too say as my misses keeps saying are you sure that won't harm your pigeons, it's developed for a different animal. It could harm them I suppose, but it ain't hurt mine, that's not to say it won't! But I'm happy to carry on using them.

cool great advice thanks mate im actually from further down ur area my dad still lives down there in cornwall and races with the st austell club he used to do the big show down there duchy rpc show

i hope all this advice helps you all but please anymore advice on the system used or other please let me and others know

Some bloke sold this system in homing world about 6 weeks ago I paid £10.00 for it  
It was worded word for word exactly as it is written in the post, it didn't please me as what was written most fanciers knew anyway.

yeah but for wat novices dont know  it may help them also i was just suggesting it may help some people witht their birds getting them up my dad used it and he gained 3 firsts in 3 races also he was in the fed and combine results

only thing im worried about, in ur advice is having multivits in with resp treatment?..this defeats the object of medicating.
it is well known that any vitamin treatments/grit should be removed when treatment begings.
calcium weakens the teatment  given so should be avoided.

Giving birds all that treatment without the need for it will in the short term produce good winning pigeons , but ask yourselfs at what price ? as these will need proping up later on with more drugs and cost far more bescause there natural immunity will be weakened and compromised , for most a trip to a good avian vet will put there birds on the right track , the above guide is usefull and should only be used as that a guide . If you screen your birds regulary via droppings and a microbaterial swab once a month you start seeing patterns of infection out breaks , hygeine in the loft should be adequate to prevent most disease out breaks , regular changing of water twice aday is a must as most bacterial infections are spread via the water.

i know wat your saying old yellow but its only oncce a year its not as if they have it every weekplus its bound to get rid of the bugs and keep the bird healthy but thats my perception everyone has different veiws

thanks pigeon 82 for posting it up

wats that mate hope it helps you it was being sold in bhw but i figured it would be best to help others but thats me lol

aye great advice pity some other's on here don't offer the same
anybody use amoxiciilan?

no mate wats it meant to do

don't know i seen a top flyer give it to someone in blackpool
he said it will kill any disease your birds have only give it if they are poorly

i aint sure but i know i used to be presribed amoxicillan because its an antibiotic i wud say it wud be to strong for pigeons

Quoted from OLDYELLOW

Giving birds all that treatment without the need for it will in the short term produce good winning pigeons , but ask yourselfs at what price ? as these will need proping up later on with more drugs and cost far more bescause there natural immunity will be weakened and compromised , for most a trip to a good avian vet will put there birds on the right track , the above guide is usefull and should only be used as that a guide . If you screen your birds regulary via droppings and a microbaterial swab once a month you start seeing patterns of infection out breaks , hygeine in the loft should be adequate to prevent most disease out breaks , regular changing of water twice aday is a must as most bacterial infections are spread via the water.

One wise man   & one of the best things one can spend their money on etc, before buying all those goodies   is a microscope & then learn how to use it.
Enjoy.

learn how to use it is the hard bit

Quoted from pigeon82

This system contains all you need to knowto keep your birds in perfecthealth without which you will not win races. I will not bore you with pages of bullshit but get straight to the point.
STEP 1 should be carried out with old birds as well as youngsters at least a month to six weeks before racing starts. Vaccination againest paratyphoid/salmonella. this illness is very hard to detect. The pigeons look look OK, train OK but are justthat yard behind the winners. A top Belgian vet has stated that 95% of lofts world wide have this disease in their lofts without knowing it. They have what are known as  carriers, you will not get any good results until this disease is eleminated or kept under control. That is a fact, get them vaccinatednow!! (TRIMETHOPRIM) followed by 5 days withwith any good probiotic and multivit mixed together. after 5 days vaccinate all birds followed by 2 days probiotic and vitamins.
STEP 2 One week to ten days after vaccination treat for canker. we use metronidazole  tablets. make sure any tablets used are200mg not 500mg, cut the tablet into four quarters and use one quarter per day for three days only. please note we give a quarter of a tablet every third week when racing old and young. Do not forget any canker treatment use multivits at any time during the racing season, please note that we do nottreat for cocci as in our food for rasing we use chicken layer pellets which containan anticocci stat.
STEP3 worms, we always treat for worms with mediworm a very good product. one tablet per bird. Always leave approximately one week between treatments.
STEP4 is the treatment for respitory diseasewe treat for five to seven days with doxycycline. The product we use is lased with with multivits so no need for any vits after treatment We use 'doxy' every three to four weeks when racing for two days alternate with canker treatment, one week after return from racetreat for canker the next day, we always use on Sunday and Monday.
STEP5 Is the most important of all. Why do birds lose the edge after a decent result or two? Well the big problem is 9 times out of 10 is fungal or thrush as it is known. unless you treat this for five days you will not get your birds back in racing condition. Fungal problems are mainly brought on by the abuse of antibiotics. We would urge you to use Medistatin which is our preferred treatment for fungal/candida problems. No treatment= crap results!! Simple as that. The nystatin powder we use is the one made specifically for pigeons in the world, good stuff. We use every four weeks ,only if your pigeons are coming ok and our among the prizes treat every six weeks. use this system as stated and if you have any decent pigeons you will be amongst the prizes most weeks (FACT)
Our feeding system is quite simple we always use diet200 on a morning, never depuritive,1/2 oz per bird and Versa Laga Super Widowhood Plus on a night 1 oz approximately.4 x 12 mile training tosses every week for the firast six weeks then 2 a week for the rest of the season. Stick it to it never change (sprint racing only)  cider vineger twice per week oregostim in water (good stuff). Stick to the system details for top results.
STEP6 is our super boost feed for Thursday and Friday morning when racing. Mix a small bag of Homaform(1/2oz per bird), a small bag of golden boost(old hand) 4 bags of ricelong grained from the super market, plus 1 small bag of conditioner (natural) mix all of this together and feed as stated. They will be off like rockets! I guarentee if you stick to this sysem 100% top results will come your way. GOOD LUCK

HOPE THIS HELPS YOU OUT MATE MY DAD GOT IT FROM SOMEONE CALLED JR AND AS YOU SAW IT WORKED FOR HIM ALSO IN THOSE 3 RACES HE HAD BIRDS IN THE FED AND COMBINE SO IT DEFINATELY WORKS LET ME KNOW WAT YOU THINK OF IT

Very interesting and very worrying post. Is it all down to winning now? What about the welfare of the birds. What about the future of the sport. What about the concequences of our actions. The pigeon, like ourselves has an imune system far more advanced than any pharmacutical company can conjure up to get your ������'s so for  for the sake of our birds, only use if nessesary. Is it so hard to comprehend. If you get it wrong then the only thing lost is a couple of pigeons. Keep doing this and the birds ( hopefully only the birds ) will be wiped out, But the un-treated ferals will be in full bloom. I'm worried and I don't know

A microsope will pick up things, you need to be quite skilled though because we're not just talking about worm or cocci eggs today. Most diseases tend to take a few days to manifest, then you have trouble and you may have to stop the birds for a few races. I would prefer to have a health program in place. But each to their own, many roads lead to Rome! I think you have to keep your birds healthy because if they're not healthy you can't keep them fit.
The other interesting thing on this thread is the absence of comments from the many distance fanatics on this site. Is that because they don't want fanciers to know this is what they do?

Quoted from Freebird

Very interesting and very worrying post. Is it all down to winning now? What about the welfare of the birds. What about the future of the sport. What about the concequences of our actions. The pigeon, like ourselves has an imune system far more advanced than any pharmacutical company can conjure up to get your ££££££'s so for FU*ks sake and for the sake of our birds, only use if nessesary. Is it so hard to comprehend. If you get it wrong then the only thing lost is a couple of pigeons. Keep doing this and the birds ( hopefully only the birds ) will be wiped out, But the un-treated ferals will be in full bloom. I'm worried and I don't know sh*t.

Why are you worried? Be more worried about yourself and your fellow men. Life expectancy is going up and up so is the use of all different types of medication. People who would not have lived past childhood 50 years ago are living in to their 70s babies that would have died at childbirth with the aid of medicines have a good life expectancy. Are you saying we shouldn't be doing this because we are losing immunity? Most people are happy to lose immunity and live to 80 rather than have immunity and die 20 years earlier

I think if you use medication during race season wisely you are ok when problems arise is year round continued usage


I bet if you were to check 99%of the winning lofts are using some type of respitory product I use a lot of natural products but I also medicate during the races I dont medicate my breeders though and havent given them anything in about 5 years now

on the above post im in pigeons to win and ill try my best cant see how for a few weeks a year medication can harm them once as its not overboard

and as he said in his post i dont know sh*t

Quoted from Albear

Why are you worried? Be more worried about yourself and your fellow men. Life expectancy is going up and up so is the use of all different types of medication. People who would not have lived past childhood 50 years ago are living in to their 70s babies that would have died at childbirth with the aid of medicines have a good life expectancy. Are you saying we shouldn't be doing this because we are losing immunity? Most people are happy to lose immunity and live to 80 rather than have immunity and die 20 years earlier

O.K. Read my post and that will answer your first question, Yeh. I am worried about my fellow men ( you ). Life EXPECTANCY is going up, why? Sanitation, Hygene, Diet bla bla bla. Are you doing this to enhance your pigeons life expectancy? I totaly agree with your point re medication (£££££££'s)? How can you claim people who would have "died 50 years ago" etc. etc. would be o.k. now???? You've missed the point completely. To save a life is one thing. To win a race is another. To blindly use medication is another, and to me totaly insane and irresponsible. Answer me this, Why? are you routinely medicating your birds. Clean loft, best of feed, crystal clear water, fresh air, sunlight, ESSENTIAL vitamins and minerals, excersize and good management will win the day. If it doesn't then we should all get an x-box and play virtual pigeon racing. I do not wish to offend, just hopefully open some eyes. After all, we all share one common passion, a wee bird that will give its all for the man in charge.

Quoted from Freebird

O.K. Read my post and that will answer your first question, Yeh. I am worried about my fellow men ( you ). Life EXPECTANCY is going up, why? Sanitation, Hygene, Diet bla bla bla. Are you doing this to enhance your pigeons life expectancy? I totaly agree with your point re medication (£££££££'s)? How can you claim people who would have "died 50 years ago" etc. etc. would be o.k. now???? You've missed the point completely. To save a life is one thing. To win a race is another. To blindly use medication is another, and to me totaly insane and irresponsible. Answer me this, Why? are you routinely medicating your birds. Clean loft, best of feed, crystal clear water, fresh air, sunlight, ESSENTIAL vitamins and minerals, excersize and good management will win the day. If it doesn't then we should all get an x-box and play virtual pigeon racing. I do not wish to offend, just hopefully open some eyes. After all, we all share one common passion, a wee bird that will give its all for the man in charge.

one problem when race day comes all that goes out the window when your birds go into a hamper with birds that have a sickness

Quoted from just ask me

one problem when race day comes all that goes out the window when your birds go into a hamper with birds that have a sickness

Yep, spot on. That's the problem in all walks of life. Who's to blame? who or what is going to suffer? I don't race so maybe a bit out of order here but only viewing my opinion as an outsider and not wanting to offend anyone. I know it is hard and we all get sucked in and paranoid. It's not easy for sure. Just trying to give a different perspective. Really commend the poster for his integrity as well.

Quoted from Freebird

Yep, spot on. That's the problem in all walks of life. Who's to blame? who or what is going to suffer? I don't race so maybe a bit out of order here but only viewing my opinion as an outsider and not wanting to offend anyone. I know it is hard and we all get sucked in and paranoid. It's not easy for sure. Just trying to give a different perspective. Really commend the poster for his integrity as well.

not out of order at all  its a open forum and we all have our opinions but at marking when u see birds with greasy wattles bad droppings u maybe have been in a competitors loft the week before and u can see water not changed general upkeep of pigeons is not great and then these pigeons are drinking from the same water as yours and the new transporters are a joke as they work on a overflow system so it only takes a few pigeons on a transporter to infect a whole transporter as the water doesn't go into the drinkers individually so it spreads all over the transporter these are just a few reasons why a routine on medication should be taken though the racing season and left alone all winter

this is just my opinion of course

Quoted from just ask me

not out of order at all  its a open forum and we all have our opinions but at marking when u see birds with greasy wattles bad droppings u maybe have been in a competitors loft the week before and u can see water not changed general upkeep of pigeons is not great and then these pigeons are drinking from the same water as yours and the new transporters are a joke as they work on a overflow system so it only takes a few pigeons on a transporter to infect a whole transporter as the water doesn't go into the drinkers individually so it spreads all over the transporter these are just a few reasons why a routine on medication should be taken though the racing season and left alone all winter
this is just my opinion of course

Is it really that bad? Is there not anyone delegated to Scroutenise ( spelling may be wrong ) as in car racing etc. This would surely make sence as we know not all are dedicated to hygene etc.

FREEBIRD  its all about winning i thought it was the idea of racing pigeons
i am pretty new to pigeon's tell me what i should do
for
canker
respiratory
worms
salmonella
paratyphoid
e coli
i was told your birds must be fit and healthy give me a programme to use next year

Quoted from Albear

A microsope will pick up things, you need to be quite skilled though because we're not just talking about worm or cocci eggs today. Most diseases tend to take a few days to manifest, then you have trouble and you may have to stop the birds for a few races. I would prefer to have a health program in place. But each to their own, many roads lead to Rome! I think you have to keep your birds healthy because if they're not healthy you can't keep them fit.
The other interesting thing on this thread is the absence of comments from the many distance fanatics on this site. Is that because they don't want fanciers to know this is what they do?

they don't tell you when the birds are sick and the wont give you information on how they keep there birds healthy
so the new fanciers are putting birds with disease in beside there birds every week i know because i probably put sick bird's in the basket a few years back then i was 30 mins behind the winner from a 90 mile race
all you here is your birds must be sick

The trick is not to use medication out of season. Using medication during racing season is a neccessary evil.

Thing is with parathyoid vaccination I can't seem to find anywhere to buy it from. Its not licensed for use in this country is it?

the thing is i would say almost every human is ill once a year so how do you know your bird is not ill if its not showing signs a human can be ill not show anything so why cant our feathered freinds be the same to keep them in tip top condition ill be following the advice my father was given on the top post and will continue to use it

Pigeon 82 Quit worrying about defending yourself almost every pigeon medicine shop has some version of this system and they DO work this is not new and has been around in some version for a while, the ones that say that it dosent work obviously havent used it because you can really up your performance in a short while with this stuff can you win ??? I dont know you still have to use good methods and have goodbirds

Quoted from Freebird

O.K. Read my post and that will answer your first question, Yeh. I am worried about my fellow men ( you ). Life EXPECTANCY is going up, why? Sanitation, Hygene, Diet bla bla bla. Are you doing this to enhance your pigeons life expectancy? I totaly agree with your point re medication (£££££££'s)? How can you claim people who would have "died 50 years ago" etc. etc. would be o.k. now???? You've missed the point completely. To save a life is one thing. To win a race is another. To blindly use medication is another, and to me totaly insane and irresponsible. Answer me this, Why? are you routinely medicating your birds. Clean loft, best of feed, crystal clear water, fresh air, sunlight, ESSENTIAL vitamins and minerals, excersize and good management will win the day. If it doesn't then we should all get an x-box and play virtual pigeon racing. I do not wish to offend, just hopefully open some eyes. After all, we all share one common passion, a wee bird that will give its all for the man in charge.

If you think birds aren't dropping dead in lofts then you I'm afraid are missing the point. Pigeon fanciers reflect society. You will ave those that are responsible and those that aren't. If everyone who kept clean lofts, best feed, crystal clear water all went in the same basket, then you could prove your point. However if they did I suspect you would have an even worse situation. Always remember seeing the video on Peter Van Eijerden (sorry can't remember the spelling). He made a decision not to treat his birds for anything and that's a few decades back when we didn't have new bugs mutating constantly. He lost a fair percentage of birds 60/80% (?) in the end he had a few birds with natural immunity. Good for him, not much good for all the birds being put in the same basket as his disease ridden ones though. Peter's plan was intentional. What about those fanciers who are in that position unintentionally?? Most of the best fanciers I know treat their birds whilst racing.
And one other point clean spotless lofts ain't the answer I had far more trouble  when my loft was spotless than I do now with easi bed in the loft. Back in the seventies in my club probably 40% of fanciers were on deep litter, rarely changed their water just topped up, they built up natural immunity. I'm afraid cosmetic cleanliness is not the answer.
This year whilst racing my old birds I treated as follows, after two seperate races had (different)canker treatment for 3 days, another race lincospectin for 3 days and another anti fungal for 3 days, can't remember the name but it's a bog standrd one. The other one I wished I'd used was cocci treatment. In days gone by it was said you needed to give vitamins after the treatment. I'm not saying that's not the case but I would ensure they had pro biotic and cider vingegar to balance the good bacteria  in the gut, my own personal preference is using cod liver oil to coat the food wth the pro biotic but that's beacuse that was used years ago, be careful with it though because it can go rancid very quickly.
Freebird I respect your opinion but until I started using a health program I struggled, that and with cracking the eye turned things around for me. I would say the one essential that should be done in every loft i