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Quoted from mark

if you had a system that that gave you a few yards on race day you wouldnt tell a soul.

i need more than a few yards

Quoted from bart

aye great advice pity some other's on here don't offer the same
anybody use amoxiciilan?

broad spectrum antibiotic will cure most things but and the but do not give 3 days before racing as it will burn them out enhance boast system  but good at clearing up infections  10 ml lite i was told by vet

also use it for my stomach  divers ticaliteus

Quoted from bart

aye great advice pity some other's on here don't offer the same
anybody use amoxiciilan?

most bacteria / infections are spectrum specific and you need the right treatment to treat it or the treatment wont work , i have used amoxycillin and ended up at vets with a bird thats white blood cells were sky high , think his vet wants shooting

well it works well on my guts

bart amoxicillin is an antibiotic used for killing bacteria that can cause infections its part of the penicilln group

oh happy days

i havent got any birds yet as i have just split with my partnership with my father as i have moved to n/ireland with my wife and kids and i am just in the process of building my loft ive nearly finished but i will be getting all my birds for the forthcoming young bird system and start fresh i have a few freinds bacck in england that are gonna breed me some youngstres and i will be using the above system my dad won the odd few races but once he started this system the following 3 races he won easy he was timing his birds in b4 anyone got one back in his club and he is the furthest flier in the club by 7 miles i will defo use it and i would rather share advicce cuz it makes the competition all the better

Quoted from bart

FREEBIRD  its all about winning i thought it was the idea of racing pigeons
i am pretty new to pigeon's tell me what i should do
for
canker
respiratory
worms
salmonella
paratyphoid
e coli
i was told your birds must be fit and healthy give me a programme to use next year

Of course you must treat for these conditions when they flare up in the birds. Surely something can be done regarding basketing, transportation etc. where your birds are coming into contact with infected birds then? I don't have any answers I'm afraid and I appreciate your dilemma. It seems this routine of preventative medication is the norm and probably has been for some time and this is probably just the tip of the iceberg. Suppose it's like athletes/body builders taking performance enhancing drugs, does this go on in the racing game as well? I'm not saying you are wrong in having your program and yes there would be no point racing the birds if you did not care about winning and achieving the best results on the day. I'm just concerned that some people will be prepared to use any means to achieve their goal. I believe you do not get anything for nothing so there must be a payback time for blindly using antibiotics etc. Personally I steer clear of any medication (talking about myself not birds) as I feel doctors are too quick to dish them out. Mind you, I'm not competing in any race

Quoted from joe61

bart amoxicillin is an antibiotic used for killing bacteria that can cause infections its part of the penicilln group

oh happy days

normally given if you are allergic to penicilln

I do'nt believe you need to be giving your birds preventative treatment through out the year to compete against other members,be it club racing or national racing.
My birds get a canker treatment when on the first round of eggs, then nothing else other than what I am forced to give them every year, and I would not be giving them that if I had a choice.
As for performance I only send to the NFC races and I was 15th and 16th open from Fougeres, and I then sent 3 to NFC Tarbes and timed 2 the first being 262nd open.
If I saw something was wrong with my birds I would take them to the vet and hopefully be prescribed the appropriate medication.
This is only my opinion
Surfer.

you try to help some and yu still get sh*t

i know i wjust wont bother putting nething on nemore its stupid how you try to help people and it gets thrown in ur face but hey we all get nutters on ere but never mind thats the thing with these threads every1 has their own opinion

pigeon82 dont get dishearntend m8...ive put your systam on my fav,s and will give it a try next year...and believe me m8 ..alot of fanciers say they wont use it but trust me..THEY WILL..there just to proud to admit it m8....thanks mark..

Quoted from slatey

you try to help some and yu still get sh*t

This is an open forum which is all about contributors stating their
different views. So long as the posts are about facts and opinions about facts
and do not slide into personal abuse there is no problem.

Some contributors on this thread believe in a rolling programme of treatments;
some think it is better only to treat when a pigeon is sick.

I think we would be better spending our money on regular testing and treating when something shows up.
  

Pigeon 82 and Slatey, if your replies are anything to do with my opinions then I am sorry if I upset yours. When someone puts a topic like this on an open forum,you have got to expect different ideas and opinions. All I will say is my ideas suit me and my birds and yours must suit you.
Different ideas different opinions no problem.
Surfer.

i am not disagreeing that if all ailments were illiminated then your birds would perform to there optimum level , my disagreeance is this if your birds arent ailing then why treat at all ? there natural immunity will be compromised by treating when not nessasary, im sure a trip to the vet and treating for issues that need addresing would cost alot less and wouldnt compomise the natural immune system , so to say im not going to post anymore is like a child taking there ball away and saying im not playing , your post points out the issues our pigeons encounter at one time or another the cleanest to the dirtiest loft have the same issues , and where people cant get the services of a good avian vet this post is usefull , i look forward to reading posts what works for one doesnt work for all . When the moult has finished i will be taking a dropping sample and getting a microplasma culture done via my vet and my vet will advise what and precribe the correct medications if needed prior to pairing

Quoted from tomm1e

This is an open forum which is all about contributors stating their
different views. So long as the posts are about facts and opinions about facts
and do not slide into personal abuse there is no problem.

Some contributors on this thread believe in a rolling programme of treatments;
some think it is better only to treat when a pigeon is sick.

I think we would be better spending our money on regular testing and treating when something shows up.
  

the fact of the matter his the lad has only wrote what his dad has done and won last 3 racers on the system
why knock him for that
we would not have to treat half as much if there wasnt so many flyers who send there pigeons to a race sick/ill

I was certainly not knocking the lad as you put it, and all credit to him for posting what he thinks is a winning system, but his dad may have won the last three races without this system. We will never know.The thing is if everybody read the post and to be polite only posted positive replies,every novice reading it might think this was the only way to go, and to be honest I personally do not.
Surfer.

Quoted from surfer

I was certainly not knocking the lad as you put it, and all credit to him for posting what he thinks is a winning system, but his dad may have won the last three races without this system. We will never know.The thing is if everybody read the post and to be polite only posted positive replies,every novice reading it might think this was the only way to go, and to be honest I personally do not.
Surfer.

Surfer I'm with you, it's about opinion and different views opinions help us all. Especially those with open minds who are able to balance what they've read.
Pigeon82 you've done everyone a great service by posting this, whether you agree or disagree with what is written. It's obvious what my view is, it's dissapointing that the many top national men and women and national winners who use the site, don't give their views. Tells a story for me.
Pigeon82 make sure you have the best quality birds you can get, use the health program and I bet you'll become very successful especially when you have a successful dad you canrefer to for experience!

While I dont disagree with the main viewpoints,the danger here is in the interpatation that may be taken from it,,treat with this health programe and you will win races,dont think so,there is an awful lot more goes in to producing winners on a regular basis,just to list some of the requirements,good birds,now that has to be number one,the rest in no particular order,training,feeding correctly,breeding,loft management,excercise,and motivation etc ,there is an abundance of things needed to produce winners,and this is what the Novices,and lots of more established fanciers should relaize,while a health programe may or may not be useful,unless the birds are up to it and all others are practiced,it wont be much use.while 82 Father won the last three races,its also down to good birds,and proper management of same,hardly a health programe alone. Personally I use very little of above health programe and birds win races,due to my efforts and theirs.,but to think this programe is the answer to all racing problems,dont think so. J.M.O.