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ill stand corrected if im wrong , but im sure you janseen men out there will put me right  where all of a sudden have red grizzle ,s  come from in the van loons  i know the silver shadow line are blue grizzle ,, but  ive never seen a red van loon in my life

i also have never seen a red van loon or i would have at least one , must be a cross

...must be from peter kos,,,,,never seen 1 yet ha ha ha

well some poor is bidding on them at elimar, dont like seeing people ripped off if this is the case

it's abred from Van Loon silver shadow lines but definately a cross and is  Offered by Jaap Van Alphen.

Quoted from OLDYELLOW

it's abred from Van Loon silver shadow lines but definately a cross and is  Offered by Jaap Van Alphen.

who is Peter Kos's father in law or something lol

Cant fault the birds i had from Jaap though and by all accounts seems a likeable bloke

Are they not just dealers though Vallance?

this bloke came to stoke on trent selling birds straight out of baskets , they were in awful condition , and his white , so called delbars were lik e cross bred fantails  , he,d trawled the uk selling them and i could,nt find one decent bird among them

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who is Peter Kos's father in law or something lol

Cant fault the birds i had from Jaap though and by all accounts seems a likeable bloke

Quoted from pjc

Are they not just dealers though Vallance?

I did reply to Phil via pm by mistake but basically put im not doubting what he said.

The birds that these two presented for sale at Blackpool were a totally different class to the ones i had and also of the one i know another forum member to have bought off elimar and i told him this - i feel pretty sure they were also told by others at the show about the poor quality - However the three i had i was happy with.

the hen i have is nice

I know so are her young un's lol  

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I know so are her young un's lol  

that i will know next year when i am winning with them ,she is paired up to that black pied!!!!!

his father in law is jaap van alphen owner of a kweekerstation in holland

Van Alphen also has numerous satellite lofts which I take are conrolled by managers

i have bought off Jaap   and the ones i got are superp admired by all who have seen them  but they are not his white or grizzle familys
i also have Roland jannsens off Pieter and i am more than pleased with them
cheers Alan

i bought a hen off them this year cant complain took 2 off her both have won  

the  thread was put on re red grizzle van loons , he probably is a nice chap , and has got some nice birds  , regardless of strain or breed , but as yet nobody has replied  saying yes or no that vanloon from poppel ever had reds in his family,

Well Louella never had any reds in there Van Loons , the Planet lofts never had any so i suppose they did not have reds and Ponderosa has no red Van Loons , never seen a red Van Loon so must be crossed but of the lines of silver shaddow

Van Loon pigeons are a cross of Janssen of Arendonk and Cattryse via the lines of De45, no grizzle in the family at original base, but some other crosses have been brought in, i would personnally have original bloodlines from the 80s and before, not the new stuff.
Its nice to see someone doing the reaerching background material, rather than just buy or have birds that have the tag of this strain or that ??    top question.




oh happy days

Quoted from OLDYELLOW

it's abred from Van Loon silver shadow lines but definately a cross and is  Offered by Jaap Van Alphen.

yeah, definately cross. got white Delbar cock from Jaap Van Alphen last Blackpool Show Jan. 2008. Got grizzle yb off it. Really look nice.

In belgium/holland they used to cross the van loons into the birds of albert van de flaes, the van de flaes pigeons were mostly reds the base of these were direct jansens...Could be the same lines???

what concerns me is that what ever the colour is when a bird of any breeding comes good on market everyone has them sells them if you take orial black pirds years ago a fancier used to go round buying any pieds he could as they were the vouge then and they become orial black pieds same with rolands if red grizzle or other colour roland janson till you breed from them but by then you spent youer money sad but true???

ive had loads of them white grizzles blue grizzles red grizzles iron grizzles black grizzles all my red grizzles have come mainly via a dark grizzle which silver shadow was a lot of mine were crossed in the end with the ejakamp janseenns the more common colour from the silver shadow vanloons are white grizzles

most of u are right in fact there not really vanloons wen vanloon sold out to planet bros apparently he only kept a few bk for himself he then bought some other birds in and crossed them with his vanloons im led to beleve they were the tounier grizzles so now u have the vanloon grizzles remember as soon as a bird enters there lofts regardless of wat strain it is it then becomes one of theres so takes the owners name

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most of u are right in fact there not really vanloons wen vanloon sold out to planet bros apparently he only kept a few bk for himself he then bought some other birds in and crossed them with his vanloons im led to beleve they were the tounier grizzles so now u have the vanloon grizzles remember as soon as a bird enters there lofts regardless of wat strain it is it then becomes one of theres so takes the owners name

people will pay a fortune for these so called pedigree birds on the continent and all of them are crossed with other winners regardless of names !!!

makes you laugh dont it,,,if you cross a bird here in uk most fanciers dont want to know,,,,,cross it in the belgium or similar country and its worth a fortune and comes with pedigree !!!!

one thing for sure the birds are the nuts if u get the right ones i won most thing with mine but they do like a very hard day not very often u will get them on a blow home unlike the original vanloons

Most be a cross. I've got a silver shadow grizzle Van loon hen from ponderosa lines. Paired her to a red van loon and they have chucked out one bird thats the spit of his dad and is red and a normal grizzle hen

Im not 100% but i think you will find that the silver shadow van-loons also have the Tounier lines in there make up and this is where the grizzle colour comes from.

I was offered a red mosaic Van Loon cock a couple of years back by a Mr & Mrs Carr of Dundee who used to adertise Planet Van Loons on a semi-regular basis in the BHW (as well as the old Corbetts) and it set the alarm bells ringing, so I phoned up Gary Planet and I asked him if it was possible and he said yes indeed, and that from time to time, the family would throw up reds and mosaics, especially when pairing the Scrumpy x Thunderbird and Whiteflight bloodlines particularely closely together, but I don't think these are the same reds as those being advertised by Jaap on Elimar, which upon inspecting the pedigrees, have definitely got a splash of the old Tournier in them.