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ill stand corrected if im wrong , but im sure you janseen men out there will put me right  where all of a sudden have red grizzle ,s  come from in the van loons  i know the silver shadow line are blue grizzle ,, but  ive never seen a red van loon in my life

i also have never seen a red van loon or i would have at least one , must be a cross

...must be from peter kos,,,,,never seen 1 yet ha ha ha

well some poor is bidding on them at elimar, dont like seeing people ripped off if this is the case

it's abred from Van Loon silver shadow lines but definately a cross and is  Offered by Jaap Van Alphen.

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it's abred from Van Loon silver shadow lines but definately a cross and is  Offered by Jaap Van Alphen.

who is Peter Kos's father in law or something lol

Cant fault the birds i had from Jaap though and by all accounts seems a likeable bloke

Are they not just dealers though Vallance?

this bloke came to stoke on trent selling birds straight out of baskets , they were in awful condition , and his white , so called delbars were lik e cross bred fantails  , he,d trawled the uk selling them and i could,nt find one decent bird among them

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who is Peter Kos's father in law or something lol

Cant fault the birds i had from Jaap though and by all accounts seems a likeable bloke

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Are they not just dealers though Vallance?

I did reply to Phil via pm by mistake but basically put im not doubting what he said.

The birds that these two presented for sale at Blackpool were a totally different class to the ones i had and also of the one i know another forum member to have bought off elimar and i told him this - i feel pretty sure they were also told by others at the show about the poor quality - However the three i had i was happy with.

the hen i have is nice

I know so are her young un's lol  

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I know so are her young un's lol  

that i will know next year when i am winning with them ,she is paired up to that black pied!!!!!

his father in law is jaap van alphen owner of a kweekerstation in holland

Van Alphen also has numerous satellite lofts which I take are conrolled by managers

i have bought off Jaap   and the ones i got are superp admired by all who have seen them  but they are not his white or grizzle familys
i also have Roland jannsens off Pieter and i am more than pleased with them
cheers Alan

i bought a hen off them this year cant complain took 2 off her both have won  

the  thread was put on re red grizzle van loons , he probably is a nice chap , and has got some nice birds  , regardless of strain or breed , but as yet nobody has replied  saying yes or no that vanloon from poppel ever had reds in his family,

Well Louella never had any reds in there Van Loons , the Planet lofts never had any so i suppose they did not have reds and Ponderosa has no red Van Loons , never seen a red Van Loon so must be crossed but of the lines of silver shaddow

Van Loon pigeons are a cross of Janssen of Arendonk and Cattryse via the lines of De45, no grizzle in the family at original base, but some other crosses have been brought in, i would personnally have original bloodlines from the 80s and before, not the new stuff.
Its nice to see someone doing the reaerching background material, rather than just buy or have birds that have the tag of this strain or that ??    top question.




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