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what is the procedure if birds escape from transporter

If a bird escapes all birds should be rerubbered, not sure of procedure regarding ets

our birds were liberated 45 minutes later doing nothing this must be wrong

Not sure on the exact rule. But if the convoyer reports an escapee, the race is null un void and needs to be raced again, i would have thought, just my opinion.

I thought that within the convoyers code of conduct / rules they had to carry equiptment to re-rubber unless they know which basket the bird came fromthen they could just re-rubber that basket.

Without looking at the rule book, I think the ring numbers of all remaining birds need to be recorded.  Makes sense.

thank boomerang
thats what i thought

Its ok if they know what basket it came out of, to take numbers.

we had some get out once and all the birds  were let up early

if there is a record of which basket each bird is in they just have to re rubber that basket otherwise the whole lot should be rerubbered. ets rung birds should have their registration ring recorded. personally i dont see the need to rerubber if the registration rings are checked

if in avent of escapebasket   number to be taken club i formed relocked re rubbered then let go all convoyers know which baskets from which club or controler will  hold rest till birds clear

they had cut the strings ready to go at 9.30 then they decided not to go but birds allready got out at 9.30 then at ten on the lib line they told us to call back lib line at twelve 0 clock when we phoned back at twelve they had released at 10:15 no mention of birds escaping what do you make of that

who topped fed???

dont no yet

We had a race i think in 05 from 68 miles we clocked in after 59 minutes and had all within 15 minutes however a fancier beat us clocking in after 44 minutes flying further and in a less favouralble position on the day.

I maintain from that day to this, that bird escaped but nothing was ever done about it - I will see if i can find result to show difference in velocitys  

Would be better to say nothing,  but record what happenned to the o/i/c at the home end., in the event of an impossible velocity being recorded. Too much work any other way!  IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO GET GOOD CONVOYERS WITHOUT CRUCIFYING THEM. LOL.      

Quoted from vallance lofts

We had a race i think in 05 from 68 miles we clocked in after 59 minutes and had all within 15 minutes however a fancier beat us clocking in after 44 minutes flying further and in a less favouralble position on the day.

I maintain from that day to this, that bird escaped but nothing was ever done about it - I will see if i can find result to show difference in velocitys  

sour grapes lol

yes i agree good covoyers are not good to get

if they know the baskets they escapes from that has to be re marked or hold all the birds for a few hrs and then lib that will let you know the birds that escape if fanciers are honest they will phone sec and let him know about early arivals but the race is NOT void its the same if a basket or single birds dont go when libed common sence and honesty helps in that situation

RPRA ruling is,In the event of any pigeon(s)escaping,convoyer must seek his/her Organisations official regarding emergency action to be taken.

our club only got to know the next day

heard the story at the club that a basket of buckie birds escaped general feeling was it must have been the row of ten crates because of the quick release mechanism club officials asking for an explanation.   john thompson

MOST CLUBS IN FED ONLY HEARD TODAY ABOUT THE ESCAPEES

should stamp all the birds left on the transporter

Quoted from PIGEON_MAN

RPRA ruling is,In the event of any pigeon(s)escaping,convoyer must seek his/her Organisations official regarding emergency action to be taken.

Thats whats supposed to be done but what they would do who knows  If you knew what basket it came from and what club wouldnt be too bad just rerubber that clubs baskets thats if they are rubbered is there a rule for what you do with ets birds   I remember it happening many years ago and they had to rerubber the whole transporter dont think tht would go down very well these days i wonder how many actually got a ringer and any rubbers with them in the first place in fact i wonder how many would say that any birds got out you could always wait for an objection to go in for improbable velocity and have a 168 meeting instead  

How many of the convoyers are actually pigeon men and could handle a bird for rubbering?  Think it would probably end up with more escapees!

With regards to ETS, birds still need to be rubbered, and at the clocking station, you need to produce the rubber, therefor the owner of the escapee will not have a rubber to produce

Quoted from peter.j

sour grapes lol

Maybe so ???????????   But one mighty quick bird etc (approximately 2500mpm) when you think about it   & not many of them do that velocity, for what I have seen.
PS, it wasn't a head wind was it   .
Enjoy.

Quoted from sapper756

With regards to ETS, birds still need to be rubbered, and at the clocking station, you need to produce the rubber, therefor the owner of the escapee will not have a rubber to produce

Are you saying that you rubber birds that have ETS rings on to go to a race,whats the point of having ETS,surely that would cause twice as much work on basketing nights.

no. he said if a bird escaped you would rubber remaining birds. then on arrival home they would still be clocked using the ets  but then take the rubber to the club. fancier should be made aware that only rubbered pigeons are eligible to compete in the race.

Quoted from sapper756

With regards to ETS, birds still need to be rubbered, and at the clocking station, you need to produce the rubber, therefor the owner of the escapee will not have a rubber to produce

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Quoted from Tenny

no. he said if a bird escaped you would rubber remaining birds. then on arrival home they would still be clocked using the ets  but then take the rubber to the club. fancier should be made aware that only rubbered pigeons are eligible to compete in the race.

You would still need to record the ring number otherwise there would be nothing to stop someone turning up with a rubber ring off another bird that arrives later.

Quoted from vallance lofts

We had a race i think in 05 from 68 miles we clocked in after 59 minutes and had all within 15 minutes however a fancier beat us clocking in after 44 minutes flying further and in a less favouralble position on the day.

I maintain from that day to this, that bird escaped but nothing was ever done about it - I will see if i can find result to show difference in velocitys  

I think you will find that this person was in touch with a member in your club who gave him the wrong time, so he clocked on par with him. If we are talking about the same incident, this fancier was caught the following year in a breeder buyer race when they re-rubbered. He was suspended from all racing.

As for birds escaping the correct procedure is to re-rubber all birds.

Quoted from milkyal

I think you will find that this person was in touch with a member in your club who gave him the wrong time, so he clocked on par with him. If we are talking about the same incident, this fancier was caught the following year in a breeder buyer race when they re-rubbered. He was suspended from all racing.

As for birds escaping the correct procedure is to re-rubber all birds.

I know the incident you are referring to Alan however it was not the same one as the one i have mentioned in my post - I dont attach any blame to the fancier who's bird beat mine - If a bird drops on your loft you clock it and worry about things later.

[quote=710]Would be better to say nothing,  but record what happenned to the o/i/c at the home end., in the event of an impossible velocity being recorded. Too much work any other way!  IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO GET GOOD CONVOYERS WITHOUT CRUCIFYING THEM. LOL.      [/quote ]This is the way that most convoyers in normal club racing would respond.
We know there are rules from the past, that re-rubbering should occur. You would have a holdover if this happennd! Especially with the ets birds. lol. Mum's the word in convoying, Surely!  There must be some pigeons that remain in the baskets during the year , either dead, damaged and half blind, through various reasons. It's better not knowing the whole truth of this great sport, sometimes.   Convoying, done properly,  is a much harder job than most think.  After some of the previous replies on this topic, I really do believe that the game has changed for the worse. Sad indeed! Vic.

Quoted from Tenny

no. he said if a bird escaped you would rubber remaining birds. then on arrival home they would still be clocked using the ets  but then take the rubber to the club. fancier should be made aware that only rubbered pigeons are eligible to compete in the race.

CORRECT

IF VIC WAS RE-RUBBERING ets birds on a transporter, I would definitely cover two thirds of  ets rings up with the rubber, to put us back on the same level. lol.

vic no matter if it was covered it still would record the time
i tried it with three rubbers and it still worked after i was told it blocked the chip signal to the pad
some work involved to rubber every bird on the transporter  holding them seems more sensible to me

i  think when i was younger did the snfc transporter not get broken into in france and birds were released what happened then
or am i thinking of another race

Quoted from pjc

If a bird escapes all birds should be rerubbered, not sure of procedure regarding ets

its the same with ETs, then you must produce the rubber when taking off clocks.

Quoted from bart

i  think when i was younger did the snfc transporter not get broken into in france and birds were released what happened then
or am i thinking of another race

is that when gipsie had welsh birds as well moved of site i beleave later lib

Quoted from ChrisMaidment08

is that when gipsie had welsh birds as well moved of site i beleave later lib

sorry, i dont mean to be unkind  chris, but i  cannot understand your post???

as for snfc birds being broken into bart ,, cant remember that , but did that not happen in another race ,,,seem to remember something like this,,maybe someone will know what it was [i could be wrong , but something sticks in my mind about this , maybe come to me later,,senility creeping in ]

is that why nantes was pulled as a lib site? because i remember there was a problem with people breaking into transporters there