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when a fancier takes ad vantage of others kind ness  by missleading them should they be outed

yes most definately,,,this is a must as bad for the fancy in general having conning gits on here conning people out of pigeons !!!!

Quoted from ChrisMaidment08

when a fancier takes ad vantage of others kind ness  by missleading them should they be outed

Yes definately, proving or posting the facts is the problem

yes they should be named ,if there is proof, its wrong and not fair on some one in need or starting up or whatever

Of course. No different to any other site. Name and shame like the old way. To many good/wise guys on here so they must be finding it difficult.

Quoted from ChrisMaidment08

when a fancier takes ad vantage of others kind ness  by missleading them should they be outed

i agree with these remarks , but can assure you it does happen , i was told by an ex preident of an ex club that i had no rights to use" their" place,,,,,,,,,,,a public bar lounge ,,,with permission from the landlord,,,,,,,,,,blinking shocking

jimmy whats this got to do with post but very well done

this is the cash raised ,,thanks to all the fanciers , fortunately enough, there are more of them ,than of the other

I think i know who you are on about Chris

Quoted from ChrisMaidment08

when a fancier takes ad vantage of others kind ness  by missleading them should they be outed

this has to do wth this post chris, as i have been taken advantage of ,,by others mis leading me

Quoted from jimmy white

i agree with these remarks , but can assure you it does happen , i was told by an ex preident of an ex club that i had no rights to use" their" place,,,,,,,,,,,a public bar lounge ,,,with permission from the landlord,,,,,,,,,,blinking shocking

Hey Jimmy, you fae Gilmerton. My Uncle Wullie Hume races the birds in Gillie. He wis a guide fitbaw player as well. Played for my home town club Penicuik Athletic. I once got a pair fae Wullie when I was a wee boy but couldnae home them. Probably cause ma loft wiz pants. Small world aint it.

Quoted from jimmy white

i agree with these remarks , but can assure you it does happen , i was told by an ex preident of an ex club that i had no rights to use" their" place,,,,,,,,,,,a public bar lounge ,,,with permission from the landlord,,,,,,,,,,blinking shocking

What year was this Jimmy.

why would some who is a partnership of 3 want to ask for birds free or really cheap on diffrent sites when he has done so well to date flying  this person needs to think hard on his requests on line and please do not say they are for someone else it does not wash or make sense when you could breed youer own??????new starters novices are loseing out be cause of you and i for one dont like it

so i ask you to stop think   and leave well alone

Quoted from ChrisMaidment08

so i ask you to stop think   and leave well alone

i dont like it either and some newbie is missing out too maybe !!!!

when i first came here i asked for a few birds ROLLERS i did get some to start me of which i am greatful for and i am now looking to buy birds early in 2009

I know exactly who you are refering to Chris, he has done this same thing on other sites and it has been pointed out to him!
He askes for birds for daughter etc, then when offered birds doesn't want to even pay carriage etc!
He also advertises enough stuff on e-bay as well and it doesn't wash with most people!

I have been taken advantage of on many occasions, having lost count of the number of newcomers that i've given birds to and loaned birds to to get started. Many of the loan birds have never been returned and the people dissapear! I still do it but whenever loan anything its only now going to be something i an afford to lose.

Phil

i just like to point out that the products thats on ebay and what  sells are not mine

they are my father in laws products,

i am not trying to scam birds off anyone, i am trying to do the best with the situation i have been dealt.

as people who know me can vouch for.

i dont want to take advantage of anyone, full stop..

the birds for my dughter are genuine and indeed i will be buying a few next year for her.

thanks for the reply's i have had so far for 2009 youngsters, i have archived them in my inbox for referance when i get the money together for them.

people are quick to judge when thet dont know the full facts.

i am not the greatest of writers as i failed english at school, so i may have posted something, that people can take the wrong way.

i am sorry for any false impressions i have made of my self and my daughter.

but if you find that i am not genuine, i cannot alter your impression of us, i regret even asking for help.....

sorry again

jon

i hope he dont mean me lol i am greatful too as i had 4 birds given to me free which are the only ones i have recieved free, but these birds are on loan only as if and when i decide i no longer need them they will be going back to the person i got them from, i have decided to start a small group of fancy pigeons and am looking to get into showing but am willing to pay for them if need be, i have already agreed to give my birds to someone for free as i think if you get them for free you can help someone else out for free.

Quoted from bewted

i dont like it either and some newbie is missing out too maybe !!!!

just put bit on osmans see what he says

cottage loft you are on other sites jumping in on birds and asking for birds on here for 5 year old for nothing you fly an extremly good bird and can breed or buy birds at going rate nfc results fed results  you pm peaple yet if money in volved thats it short and sweet no thanks by saying for 5 year old peaple will not charge   ??? this is out of order and i hope peaple on line withdraw offers to you and you have to pay like the rest of us new starters novice,s  free old hands pay

ive been given and bought birds from this site and ive been given birds from people off the roller site.... i  have now bred birds from the birds i have been given........ so i now see this as enough help for me as far as freebies go........ some people do seem to take the p*ss going round different sites giving sob storys and asking for birds but as soon as money is mentioned they dont want to know or make up excuses.............if you are genuinely struggling fair enough you will get help but dont con people because the people you are conning will not help anybody out in the future........

Mikkey i know what your saying as ive read on the roller site

i was helped when i started back in 2007 the season b4 ...in 06 i mentioned i was thinking of starting back up, a certain top fancier helped me out with 12 terrific birds...which im eternally gratefull.
if someone is getting birds under false pretences then its a poor show...but b4 slating them we must know the entire story behind it,as we all know, else it can paint someone wrongly.

true mate true

Quoted from mikkey

ive been given and bought birds from this site and ive been given birds from people off the roller site.... i  have now bred birds from the birds i have been given........ so i now see this as enough help for me as far as freebies go........ some people do seem to take the p*ss going round different sites giving sob storys and asking for birds but as soon as money is mentioned they dont want to know or make up excuses.............if you are genuinely struggling fair enough you will get help but dont con people because the people you are conning will not help anybody out in the future........

i too was given birds from guys on this site and brought some too,but to me there is no excuse to go around every site on the planet getting birds,apart from been greedy, in the end some one would be let down[the donor i mean]this is the sort of thing that stops the good guys from all sites from helping people out, i am not naming or accusing anyone as every story is different and the background to this one i do not know

tomo maybe i am wrong and if so i apologise but if you tell people you have no money then are still asking for birds on another site it looks dodgy.......SORRY i stuck my nose in...

also adding to my last post, i have serious beliefs that someone who had bought birds off someones family(in wales) after the fancier had died, is selling them on here at times under a different breed and parentage/pedigree,(ring numbers in pics of parents etc) i cant name him because of limited proof so i shall be looking out in the future of his sales.
he sells on several sites.

i was offered these birds for free 3 cots full. as i was a very close friend,and could have taken advantage of them,but decided the family should have the benefit of these. and i was the one who actually helped in finding these birds new owners....im watching you!!

mate its not a problem i was asking if people had them then asking if they could keep hold of them if possible til i got sorted

Quoted from tomo68

mate its not a problem i was asking if people had them then asking if they could keep hold of them if possible til i got sorted

tomo did me a good turn during the week he was coming to manchester from birmingham and i was struggling to get some supplies for my birds and he kindly offered to get the thing's i needed and would run them to me which he did at his own cost as i am about 15 miles away from where he was coming to in manchester

Thanx again tomo

Quoted from mikkey

ive been given and bought birds from this site and ive been given birds from people off the roller site.... i  have now bred birds from the birds i have been given........ so i now see this as enough help for me as far as freebies go........ some people do seem to take the p*ss going round different sites giving sob storys and asking for birds but as soon as money is mentioned they dont want to know or make up excuses.............if you are genuinely struggling fair enough you will get help but dont con people because the people you are conning will not help anybody out in the future........

               Well said mickkey  I know what you mean

not a problem Jimmy mate anytime

i have asked for bird's on several sites some i paid for and some were gifted to me and when i 1st started i got some fancy pigeons and then after a while i thought about getting racers so the birds i had gifted to me i rehomed free i had several racers and we suffered a hawk attack i picked myself up got a few more birds and the same thing happened i took the birds to exercise them a distance away with my mate released them and bam from no where a BOP attacked no birds returned to me so then i went back to roller's and yes i asked again for help and this time i recieved some PM's from people telling me this and that and my sob story wouldn't wash now although i have asked for birds i have and am willing to pay it is just that i couldn't afford to go out in 1 hit at the time and spend X amout on birds i am now in a better finacial situation although not a great deal of spare cash but i am saving what i can to purchase some youngbirds in 2009

i have been overwhelmed by other fanciers offers of young birds to get me started,i have not accepted any of the offers yet because my loft is still not completed,weather is holding things up terrible but you all know about that,i just want to say that i am truly greatful for the help that i have allready received,you know who you are.thanks again paul.

i withdraw all my comments on this post  concerning peaple missleading members as im upsetting peaple

there are no need to apoligise to anyone chris we all know who is at fault here,  there are people and they know you know who  they are, and dont like  been cought out.

  if you had too use a blow torch on there neck it would not turn red

trouble is you can pm webmaster and he will tell you off so bad men win or they can

chris,,,you dont need to withdraw any comments,,,,,if people are upset by them,then the trueth hurts !!!

you carry on with what you do or say,,,i for one enjoy what you write !!

right for
1... we have 6 pair of stock birds and we cannot breed enough to fill the 2 lofts
2.... i am looking for pigeons genuinly ( not scamming off anyone )

i think chris as got the wrong end of the stick with me,  he offered me two next year from his van reets&n