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im going to be honest on here to all that are on line   i trained and helped look after someones birds if i beat him it was always a fluke i had a bird from saints 4 club 12 fed i was chuffed he told everyone it was a fluke only 12 on day   one day he reared up and said i let his birds go in power lines three members of my club were ther letting go  i tought him a lesson by letting go one of his birds go long before the rest  he boasted to every one how good this bird was he put 100 on it in pool money it never came home   when birds are all tossed together trained birds come home if ill or not untrained bird??????

thanks all for advice, and cheers chris will see what there in the morning

the only thing i could add to that mate is your birds  where struck by the hawk and your mates birds  were not, or at least  don't know much about what it can do, and yours took off or went down through trees with fear. till they show up and sometimes they don"t  i had a mate who  trained  60 ybs for three week  1mile 3mile 5mile right out till 40 mile then one day took them 6mile and  got  back 13 and still to this day  has none reported or returned to him the peregrine  has the same affect on the birds as a lion  chasing you