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BELOW ARE SOME PHOTOS TAKEN JUST BEFORE AND DURING THE LIBERATION OF THE GLASGOW FEDERATION BIRDS ON SAT LAST. HOPE THE PICTURES HELP THE ALEXANDRIA FANCIER WHO IS CONVINCED THERE WAS RAIN AT THE LIB POINT ALL DAY. HOPEFULLY THIS FANCIER WILL STAND AT THE AGM FOR THE POSITION OF CONVOYER.
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hope its like that this saturday but i don't think so
maybe sunday will be better
in this day and age with a mobile phone the liberation could be on the web within minutes of liberation stops all the crap |
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great picture the first one by clicking on it you can see the birds quite clearly |
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the way i see it Saturday ain't that good but better than Sunday as its more prolonged rain ;  into the central belt lanarkshire and strathclyde |
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i know the weather can change but the met office and bbc say saturday heavy band of rain moving from the west coast and sunday to be clear
what weather forecast have you seen bigda? |
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sorry bigda
checked the met office site now the weather warning has been lifted for saturday just need to keep checking |
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BELOW ARE SOME PHOTOS TAKEN JUST BEFORE AND DURING THE LIBERATION OF THE GLASGOW FEDERATION BIRDS ON SAT LAST. HOPE THE PICTURES HELP THE ALEXANDRIA FANCIER WHO IS CONVINCED THERE WAS RAIN AT THE LIB POINT ALL DAY. HOPEFULLY THIS FANCIER WILL STAND AT THE AGM FOR THE POSITION OF CONVOYER.
No chance he will still see the rain cloud ????? |
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Great photo,s of The otterburn liberation site showing ideal conditions for liberating the bird, once again well done to the convoyer for delaying the liberation until he was happy with the weather.
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Whilst waiting for the birds on Sat. from Otterburn one half of the Alexandria area had a sky that was black the other half had torrential rain (some 3 miles apart) Live At Loch Lomond can confiorm that, the forecast I saw for Otterburn was cloudy . I saw the Lanarkshire lads had regular updates on the site well done to their controller and convoyer and whoever relayed the information the Glasgow fed members just sat in the "Dark" waiting. |
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Whilst waiting for the birds on Sat. from Otterburn one half of the Alexandria area had a sky that was black the other half had torrential rain (some 3 miles apart) Live At Loch Lomond can confiorm that, the forecast I saw for Otterburn was cloudy . I saw the Lanarkshire lads had regular updates on the site well done to their controller and convoyer and whoever relayed the information the Glasgow fed members just sat in the "Dark" waiting.
your forecast for otterburn was spot on then check the photos above or were you wanting your birds liberated into clear blue skies and bright sunshine........????? like i said look forward to your application for the convoyer`s position and if you are struggling for a seconder just let me know. |
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Quite a bit of drooling have been shown the red meat again I wasn't even racing |
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Bart is dead right a quick call on the mobile and there should be no problems, to Greengrass Your pictures just confirms the forecast on Yahoo weather no probs with that. Jumping the gun gets you shot. |
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What was the problem, was it a bad race,appears to be excellent conditon at race point. |
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Whilst waiting for the birds on Sat. from Otterburn one half of the Alexandria area had a sky that was black the other half had torrential rain (some 3 miles apart) Live At Loch Lomond can confiorm that, the forecast I saw for Otterburn was cloudy . I saw the Lanarkshire lads had regular updates on the site well done to their controller and convoyer and whoever relayed the information the Glasgow fed members just sat in the "Dark" waiting.
what would be your suggestion then, all fanciers to call the convoyer to say dont put them up yet its dark clouds overhead here. all these weather experts available after the races, then they announce they never had any doos away...................now you know why the game is in such a bad way up here. i doubt this person will stand for any positions because to do that you need a backbone and the above post is that of a spineless troublemaker unfortunately all feds have them and they are why the better officals ask themselves "why do i bother" and eventually say enough is enough. could you possibly give the fanciers the benefit of your immense knowledge and weather forecasting abilities on the morning of the next race and not days later i am sure it would be most appreciated. |
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how did the race go? what were the leading velocities and final returns?
we are there this saturday and our biggest fear is the peregrines!... well plus the weather at the moment.
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think greengrass called it slaughterburn not otterburn sure dundee fed will go before lanarkshire we will get a clear run home  |
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anyone who takes the time to look at the photographs will realise that the lib site is well elevated. it has no advantage to a peregrine to strike. i have personally liberated pigeons at this site on three occassions this year and have never seen a perigrine. i see peregrines everyday at the loft. there may well be other raprors around possibly marsh harriers huntng the moors that surround the liberation site. please also consider i am only talking about the area around the liberation site not the whole of northumberland. |
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returns were mixed. most of chryston club had above average returns. i hear this was not the case in other clubs. reasons for this are anyones guess. clearly not the result of anything happening at the liberation or the race controlling. four seasons one day typical weather for our area. seems to be a shortage of mirrors. |
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What a factitious post from "I" where in my original post do you see a complaint from me regarding the liberation all I said was the weather was cloudy and so it was according to the pictures. I am not the original complainer as i did not go to Otterburn as more than half my young birds were lost from a toss at Harthill and the two races from Kelso I had good returns from Cockenzie.
I say to you I put your brain into gear before you open your mouth.Greengrass said in his post that someone had remarked it had been raining all day at the race point most certainly not I ,sorry me .Greengrass will probably know the chap I sat with he had 4 away - still waiting 2 out of 9 K1 and 2 out of 8 K2So if you are looking for someone pour your heart out to look for someone else rather than me.About the weather in Alex the sec.phoned to see what it was like by us, dark skies, he stated it was bucketing down 3 miles up the road.
To WulDon the velocity for Alexandria 910.468 not very fast for a race on a good day at 107 miles |
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anyone who takes the time to look at the photographs will realise that the lib site is well elevated. it has no advantage to a peregrine to strike. i have personally liberated pigeons at this site on three occassions this year and have never seen a perigrine. i see peregrines everyday at the loft. there may well be other raprors around possibly marsh harriers huntng the moors that surround the liberation site. please also consider i am only talking about the area around the liberation site not the whole of northumberland.
It was based on experience, Johno. One of a number of liberations at Otterburn was attacked by peregrine(s) as recently as 2007. I think it may have been Fife or Dundee. Lanarkshire took rockets with them the following week, and launched prior to lib, a first in the UK I believe. |
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may i say again look at the photos. according to other convoyers the liberations were subject to annoyance by "hawks rising from the ground" as far as i am aware there has never been an ariel attack witnessed at a liberation from the beacons liberation site at otterburn where these photos were taken on saturday. the liberation site is sitting above most of the surrounding countryside and offers no advantage to a peregrine. a peregrine looks for and uses natural advantage. |
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It was based on experience, Johno. One of a number of liberations at Otterburn was attacked by peregrine(s) as recently as 2007. I think it may have been Fife or Dundee. Lanarkshire took rockets with them the following week, and launched prior to lib, a first in the UK I believe.
Yes your right Ian Lanarkshire did have rockets with them for this race but they let them go right at the side of the transporter and frightened the lifes out of the y/b's |
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It was based on experience, Johno. One of a number of liberations at Otterburn was attacked by peregrine(s) as recently as 2007. I think it may have been Fife or Dundee. Lanarkshire took rockets with them the following week, and launched prior to lib, a first in the UK I believe.
thats right square-peg was with the fife transporter, 2 feds got hit by the peregrines |
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Wonder what it will be like on sat.with at least 10 Feds (as per the RPRA) at the Otterburn going to be a lot of pigeons about. Maybe a few rockets this week may help. |
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Bart is dead right a quick call on the mobile and there should be no problems, to Greengrass Your pictures just confirms the forecast on Yahoo weather no probs with that. Jumping the gun gets you shot.
you mention in your earlier post glasgow members in the dark i was not sure if you meant the alexandria members under the dark clouds or the members in general, what info do you want, a call to every member from the race convoyer,controller,secterary, please tell us. every other week we get a call to say the birds are up such a time and the wind conditions etc. somehow last sat this was not enough for you, why. i was called at 13 55 to say birds were away at 13.40. maybe we should just ask the sec to put it on libline and let all the members pay for info and no more calls to inform you the birds are up, i know which one i would rather have. jumping the gun will not get you shot but jumping in front of it will (just had my red meat......... ) |
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how did they know they were peregrines. did they attack from the air. also this implies that the people liberating were not able to see the attackers prior to liberation. from the pictures and personal experience at otterburn liberation site you would have a good chance of seeing raptors above you. nothing to give them cover. also if peregrines were attacking why did federations continue to liberate? a lot this does not add up. |
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Would it not be beneficial for race controllers to put information on this page , if delay of liberation then specific reason and when possible liberation time , then members with this facility can inform others, if they have no access they could contact someone to put on this site. |
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think greengrass called it slaughterburn not otterburn sure dundee fed will go before lanarkshire we will get a clear run home
correct bart i think it was two years ago maybe three i sent 32 youngsters to otterburn full of confidence and this would have been their 5th race i think, anyway birds went up and i clocked in a few early ones with steady returns for a while then nothing for ages at clocks i was waiting on i think 10 birds but everybody else was over the moon at the great race we had with nearly all home and most waiting on one or two. i was waiting on 10 and hoped by the time i got home there would be most in the loft but nothing only got another 2 over the next few days. hence i gave the site the nickname "SLAUGHTERBURN" |
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not all controllers are users of the computer. also transfer of information can also lead to variations on reality at times. issues and proposals like these should be brought up at agm`s and during the close season. discussed not argued and causing massive rifts about nothing. this week one fancier in the glasgow fed started complaining how he had heard from the horses mouth that the rain never stopped at otterburn on saturday. he stated he was putting a letter into the fed about the situation. when he was handed the photos on here he stood back and said nothing. last year he put a letter into the fed about another situation he had heard about from the horses mouth. he was wrong again. i think he is confusing the openings on a horses body. |
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Open communicaton on this site will cause no harm , i already stated that not all race controllers have access,with whay to help communicate thisinformation or is it the fact that they have no interest in sharing information with the general members , causing fanciers anxiety due to lack of information on lib line , only stating phone back which can be numerous times .No one is digging out race controllers but they could possible use every form of communication to keep the members updated. |
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appoint someone to take the role at the agm. i agree with you about open communication 100%. i am also of the opinion that when individuals jump in on incorrect information gained whatever way they should be subject to the ridicule that they attempt to hand out. the situation that i refer to in glasgow is a classic. where some ill informed, ill prepared blow hard demands an audience with people wh have nothing wrong, to put them in their place. not acceptable. communication works two ways. acting with responsibility is all of our concern. |
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race controllers are hard enough to find. why dont you take the job of communications officer for whichever organisation you fly with bigda. |
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Who would have said we would have pigeons timing themselves in on a Saturday, times change and so should the role of the way the race controller communicates with other members , no one wishes the race to go wrong for someone to take a dig at individuals , just ways toimprove communication. |
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At the end of the day it's the race controllers decision that is final always has been!!! |
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should the race controller report back to the fanciers with his/her first report on a friday night or phone round at five o`clock on a saturday morning. would it be fair to exclude the people who do not have a computer? where do we stop? |
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You appear to be missing point , this is not digging out race controllers only impoving communication , the point was that individuals with this facility could inform club members if required, or is it you feel this is to much work for one person and possible there should be a communication officer for each federation. |
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the race controller has enough on their plate. communication is a federation issue and should be an agenda item at fed level. as bigda`s post points out regardless of what they say he will not believe them "if they really told me what was going on" so the content of any post on here would not be believed. |
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Weather permitting how long will it take to liberate the 10 feds.that we know of sitting at Otterburn on Sat. given the largest Fed in Scotland will be there. |
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It was based on experience, Johno. One of a number of liberations at Otterburn was
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