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What I saying is frankly, if the birds are Loft fit, and had a c2/3/4 chucks and came alright, then quite simplely if they have the ability, and want to home, they will, and be up with leaders. I can't see how any one can presume that fanciers chuck in birds when they are unfit / not fit enough. Many are lost after yonks of training, indeed at the first hurdle.
Our Fed's first YB race is Coldstream (62 miles) repeated, then next is Otterburn (82 miles). I have in the past started pigeons at our 3rd race, 82 miles, without problems.
I think the Aberdeen Fed race is typical of races generally nowadays ... a tale of two races, for some really good, for others really bad. Our race from Kelso last week was no different ...
The annoying thing is everyone seemingly jumping to their own conclusions why it happens. Plenty theories, few facts. I think it is high time we started fitting some birds with radio transmitters to turn those theories into hard facts. Would be nice to know exactly what is happening to our birds after liberation. Then we might be able to do something about it.
I was only asking about the distance because i have found if my birds were really fit and i sent them short found they carried straight on going either ended up coming back or had them reported up country always found it much better to train well and look at putting them straight into the longer races
Our Fed's first YB race is Coldstream (62 miles) repeated, then next is Otterburn (82 miles). I have in the past started pigeons at our 3rd race, 82 miles, without problems.
I think the Aberdeen Fed race is typical of races generally nowadays ... a tale of two races, for some really good, for others really bad. Our race from Kelso last week was no different ...
The annoying thing is everyone seemingly jumping to their own conclusions why it happens. Plenty theories, few facts. I think it is high time we started fitting some birds with radio transmitters to turn those theories into hard facts. Would be nice to know exactly what is happening to our birds after liberation. Then we might be able to do something about it.
IB i would like to see more contact with race controllers they are the ones who are responsible for the line of flight ,but also the convoyer is to play his part as well no good line of flight if not good enough at race point and thats sometimes where it all goes wrong more communication between controllers of different org if possible, so we don,t get these clashes its alright once we are down the road a bit and the young ones find there bearings then you will find they have a line they keep too, but controllers please more contact with each other .
Our Fed's first YB race is Coldstream (62 miles) repeated, then next is Otterburn (82 miles). I have in the past started pigeons at our 3rd race, 82 miles, without problems.
I think the Aberdeen Fed race is typical of races generally nowadays ... a tale of two races, for some really good, for others really bad. Our race from Kelso last week was no different ...
The annoying thing is everyone seemingly jumping to their own conclusions why it happens. Plenty theories, few facts. I think it is high time we started fitting some birds with radio transmitters to turn those theories into hard facts. Would be nice to know exactly what is happening to our birds after liberation. Then we might be able to do something about it.
just talking about this the other day , i think we could learn a lot from this
nothing changes young birds down the swanny aberdeen fed what a laugh if you want your birds lost come and stay up here year after year the same thing happens 55% young birds gone in one race so what is going on ,sat morring what time did the transporter set off and did the birds get time for a drink and were the birds let go when the dundee fed were above them the dundee fed let go at stow, at seven about thirty miles south of thornton'the dundee birds took an hour much the same speed as the aberdeen birds so was it get to the race point and let's cut the "strings" the aberdeen fed let go at seven thirty.
The thing that gets me is the original post seems to want to lay the blame for the supposed 55% bird lose at Thornton 2/8/08 on the organisers of the race one way or another. Fact: It was a perfect racing day for us with a s/w wind, as the winning birds showed. Fact: Most of the people that went to the first races had a good race with very good returns. Fact: No one has phoned me to complane about big losses. Fact: Most of the birds reported to me and other club Secs are just a few Mls from the race point. Fact: the organisers did nothing wrong leeding up to the release of the birds. So what caused these supposed 55% losses.
as i see it the only person getting concerned is willie doo and he seems to have all the answers if this blackswan says that he has 55% of a loss just let it be and move on or is there somthing in what he is saying
as i see it the only person getting concerned is willie doo and he seems to have all the answers if this blackswan says that he has 55% of a loss just let it be and move on or is there somthing in what he is saying
People who Know me as you must,its getting on with my own birds and racing them that I am most concerned with. Being Fed Sec,I can take it or leave it. But I think as Sec I should stick up for the Fed and post the facts,if no one posted a reply to the original post what woud people on this forum think. If it was me I would be saying that must be right as no one has contested what has been posted. To answere you last question,there is absolutely nothing in what the post was saying.
as i see it the only person getting concerned is willie doo and he seems to have all the answers if this blackswan says that he has 55% of a loss just let it be and move on or is there somthing in what he is saying
Sorry bobtail. Blackswan did not say he had 55% losses he is indicating the Federation.
He queries various points but refused to disclose who he is or how much training he has done and how many races he has went to with his young birds.
ian mckay i think you should read the post again blackswan never said one or the other i guess he may have ment his own birds i never read it saying fed birds.
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