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Quoted from chrisss

the best post on the subject by a country mile read and learn folks

I'll Go with that.

If we carry on treating for everything in the short term, we store up problems in the long term. Government health advise is to reduce the use of antibiotics - in animals and humans!  Let the immune system do its' own thing, and we'll end up with fewer problems and healthier pigeons.  It might be at the cost of winning in the short term, but winning isn't the only thing that matters.

Quoted from me

I actually discussed pigeon problems  with Leon and he advised "me" to remember that "malucidin" (spelling") was a great way of sterilising the blood and helps attacks from cocci and e-coli got a few letters from him I will try and find them! The important thing to remember is we should all be trying to keep "our birds healthy"

you have been told by me, i" me "the symptoms to look out for  with the birds that are carriers  and that  have paratyphoid and still you don't learn its obvious you have to talk  with Leon
but he must be about round the bend  trying to tell you any thing
as you are a very trying case, nut springs to mind  the symptoms  i am describing  are that, if you want to discuss it  feel free your crap about bacteria  this and that, dose not stop a pigeon with  paratyphoid  from flying so take it from "me" not you

HOW CAN WE EVER STOP PIGEONS WITH PARATYPHOID FROM SPREADING IT FURTHER.

What I am saying, or trying to, Is if carriers of paratyphoid can go unnoticed through their general good condition, God help us all! Unless some of you know more than the vets do!

We cant Vic,we have to learn to live with it now, common sense tells us  that if you cant eradicate it,I dont have any issues with any fancier,whose birds are sufering with these illnesses to treat accordingly for it with whatsever required,its the thought of pumping stuff into them blindly to prevent something thats in all probability not present is the real problem,I imagine as Bigda says earlier with its close affinity to Salmonella, its possible a carrier can be recognised,if your observent,and if so then eradicate it.

also to add paratyphoid sign in birds is  the 8th 9th  flight mainly at  the tip about a half inch down the flight displays like a small flag
and doesn't  reshape when stretched  paratyphoid is mainly from rats, and mice in your shed, but mainly mice as these wee "c " pish all over the place the two step pi-sh two step pi-sh and thats when it can get a grip there are birds that  take it  severely and die  or have twisted necks all that stuff but there  are ones as i describe the  bean eaters no good for no wt type bring it back every other week, fancier should put two mouse traps in there shed or where they store there corn and you might get the fright of there lifes who visit   use every day  virkon s or such approved  disinfectant,  put in spray bottle and add one squirt to the drinker every day but remember  because you don"t see mice don't think they ain't there  the wee bees one bit of maze is as good as a feast. rid the mice  

Quoted from Rose

Something i bought up earlier you treat and cure but the birds immune system through the treatment is at a much reduced level so you really need to look at how long it is before the bird will build up its immune system and be safe to put in with other birds otherwise  they are going to be very susceptible to picking up anything going especially if you start racing them again

I think this is a very good point, Rose. 'Treat and cure' made me think of some of the advice I've seen, and heard. How long should 'Treatment' last? A couple of days? Dead handy, just long enough for the birds to miss at most one race? Then they are right back on the road again, and back in the race basket. Is a week really enough time for a 'cure'? Maybe. But as you say, what about rest, recuperation from illness and return to full fitness?  I think if sufficient time isn't allowed for the birds immune system to get back to normal, then those birds just become the next race's losses, and those that were in the basket with them, the next round of sick birds.

Good comments bigdadda, re the vermin. But this latest strain of para....... ? Call it what you want! is currently affecting the very essence of our ybs homing ability by attacking "upstairs".  Hence the reason for the disastarous season so far' with so long to go.  

    i think a lot of the  problems are in the  feed
   a lot not giving enought protien in the food
   for youngsters a lot hapning in yong birds life
  training racing moulting growing arf run down
befor people start racing them just my opinion
        stan p

Quoted from Vic

I am now concerned that most of our losses these days are down to sickness, wthin a large percentage of pigeons.  Somebody correct me if I am wrong.  Take paratyphoid for instance, I have been led to believe, that many pigeons can carry it, without showing any symptoms whatsoever. And seeing that it's a very hard sickness to treat, How the hell can we stop it worsening?    

Samonella / Phar... etc. THESE DONT show up in dopping for instance, often a secondarily illness when birds are down, and ofen a loft has carriers, and too many fanciers don't even know, let alone realise.
I suggest that more lofts look into these illnesses Vic.

May, I enquire once again, why this crucial informative posting was demoted to an inferior position. You arbitrators,  either improve or LOSE.  

I think Vic it may have been moved because if you put anything on the notice board and there is a actual forum that covers the thread that was put on it will be moved to there   Not sure that some of the forums that are used more and that are posting more on perhaps would be better moved further up the list