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Where are all the young birds going? Have heard some real horror stories today. 1 member from my club tossed 60 y/bs from 20 miles at 4.00pm and has only 10 back at dark. Another member (new starter) tossed 16 last night from 10 miles and didn't see any till this morning and ended up 6 adrift with another member having 16 younger ones missing from off the loft and there are similar reports from other clubs in our fed. It can't all be hawks  |
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Location: Lanarkshire
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I'm going to start next weekend and i hate this time of year more then any other i've been there done that with the losses at the 1st toss and it's a nightmare until you get them home |
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| FrankDooman |
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Location: Clackmannan
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its the same through here club member 34 tossed 1pm total of 16 2 days later 10mls none back untill next day getting reported all over the place ive had 3 tosses out to 15 mls and only lost 2 and iam the best off birds should not be getting lost from that distance |
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| Blue Tooner |
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Posts: 87
Gender: Male
Location: Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
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Training youngsters is always a dread and it just seems to get worse. I had my own ones at 15 miles today and they took three hours, tell you what though it took my mind off of the Tours race  |
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| Blue Tooner |
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Posts: 87
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Location: Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
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Training youngsters is always a dread and it just seems to get worse. I had my own ones at 15 miles today and they took three hours, tell you what though it took my mind off of the Tours race |
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| FrankDooman |
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Location: Clackmannan
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i think thats the problem i was the same and if there are teams going up and down for hrs it stands to reason they must be flying in to one another and that spells disaster for y/birds just learnin the es |
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| carlsberg |
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i now have 14yb's left out of 36 |
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| blueskey |
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had a freind drop off birds on his way home i never got none home on the night , got nine out of 22 home now but end of the day , they say you are only droping the sh** ? |
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| micko |
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i dont know about homers for a start of
but just a thought
why not send an old bird or two from the same loft just for the first few tosses
this maybe a none runner if so sorry
i should have kept my mouth shut
(and not a chance of that happening its by making comments like this you learn from others so new members dont be afraid to chip in ) micko |
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| Blue Tooner |
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Just spoke to another of our club members this morning and he dropped 25 yesterday from 15 miles, so that takes it to over 100 youngsters missing from 5 or 6 members in the last 2 days  , must be soul destroying. I think Frankdooman has a fair point about teams of y/bs going in all directions for hours, it must spell disaster when they run into one another. Just hope some work back for them, but I bet there wont be too many. I wondered if one of the problems was that many youngbirds are being trained before they are ready i.e. not ranging from the loft and being pushed too far too soon. Would be interested to hear others views on this. |
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| andy |
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Location: Edinburgh
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I always toss first time from 12 miles very early in the morning so they get the sky to themselves. |
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| Paulo |
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Location: Durham
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Wonder if its anything to do with the vast amount of young birds on the darkness system. Had 7 chucks so far up to 18 miles and not a problem they all beat me back this morning with ease.
YB's don't seem to rake as much now |
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Location: yorkshire
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Andy I tossed 20 darkness youngsters at 9-00 from 10 miles 2 weeks ago I got 2 on the day 1 the next day 1 reported in Manchester 1 reported dead on a local farm and 15 unaccounted for. They had been of the darkness for three weeks and treated for worms,canker and respiartory. |
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| shadow |
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why are you training youngsters with the forecast for thunder and torrential showers throughout the country with so much electrical activity in the atmospere no wonder you are loseing so many |
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| bewted |
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why are you training youngsters with the forecast for thunder and torrential showers throughout the country with so much electrical activity in the atmospere no wonder you are loseing so many
very true shadow,,,,,,,so very true !! |
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| Paulo |
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Wonder if its anything to do with the vast amount of young birds on the darkness system. Had 7 chucks so far up to 18 miles and not a problem they all beat me back this morning with ease.
YB's don't seem to rake as much now
I've got 20 on dark and 20 on natural the dark ones look better than the natural and handle like yearlings but the natural ones go away raking for hours. While the dark ones rake but not for as long as the natural ones. First year trying the dark. One strange thing was no YBS last year on all natural but had a bit this year. Rested them for a week and treated and now they are fit again. I think too many people take the birds away before they are flying well around the loft |
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Shadow I havent trained a pigeon since last wednesday |
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Gender: Male
Location: COUNTY DURHAM
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First time i have tried the dark system in my life and i have never lost so many young birds training. I only started with 30 and i have lost 9 already. Normaly i fly my young birds natural and hardly ever lose more than 1 or 2 during training. I have had 7 training tosses from up to 12 miles and the young birds have had 4 tosses that have taken over 2 hours. |
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Chatters
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I am thinking the same about the darknees as I havent lost a natural young bird training this year but have only 4 out of 20 darkies left. |
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| pjc |
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Spot on Shadow, just look at how the atmospheric preasure has changed in the last couple of days!
Keep em at home!
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| bewted |
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I am thinking the same about the darknees as I havent lost a natural young bird training this year but have only 4 out of 20 darkies left.
racing and training as near to nature as possible is good,,,,,darkness is playing against nature and sometimes nature has a way of kicking you back in the teeth !! |
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| Gareth Rankin |
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I always have my young birds fly in morning before i basket for them to go training, reason being that young birds are bursting with energy and to take them for a short toss as many fanciers do is asking for trouble so best to take the steam out of them before they get in with the wrong crowd and finish many miles away from their loft.
Don't over train as fanciers seam to forget that they are homing pigeons so they are built with the ability to home this is providing that they are kept in the best of health and in a enviroment that they are happy in. Have witnessed in the past fanciers having 20-25 tosses before the first race only to drop many young birds at the first race.
Due to circumstances i have seen in the past ourselves only having 3 tosses with our young birds and win young bird average in club and fed. |
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| Paulo |
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Posts: 2,387
Gender: Male
Location: Durham
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All the fun has been taken out of YB racing by the greed of people who have made it too specialised i.e. darkness, lightness etc to win the YB averages |
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| Paulo |
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Posts: 2,387
Gender: Male
Location: Durham
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I always have my young birds fly in morning before i basket for them to go training, reason being that young birds are bursting with energy and to take them for a short toss as many fanciers do is asking for trouble so best to take the steam out of them before they get in with the wrong crowd and finish many miles away from their loft.
Don't over train as fanciers seam to forget that they are homing pigeons so they are built with the ability to home this is providing that they are kept in the best of health and in a enviroment that they are happy in. Have witnessed in the past fanciers having 20-25 tosses before the first race only to drop many young birds at the first race.
Due to circumstances i have seen in the past ourselves only having 3 tosses with our young birds and win young bird average in club and fed.
Good advice with the letting them out before a short toss trick. On my second and only bad toss from 8 miles they all nicked off raking because I didn't do this before hand |
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| les |
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my method ,split them in to 2 or 3 teams ,first 5 tosses half mile ,just on dark ,and i mean just on dark ,they are very hungry and dont mess about ,trap strait away because of hunger and geting dark ,2 or 3 at 1 mile ,2 or 3 at 2 miles then each night a mile or two extra ,always hungry and just enough time to get home before dark most weather conditions as long as it is reasonable , i get them to the 15 mile mark doing this and keep them there untill the 3rd race ,i have not had any trouble with hawks or clashing with other birds because of the time of night ,i dont go any further because i will have to cross the severn bridge every time and that is a breading groung for mr peregrin ,they then get jumped into the 3rd race 70 miles then if they got what it takes they get home, some of you will disagree with this method but it works for me ,if they dont get home on the night they are not to far away in the morning ,im not into young bird racing i just want to educate them for the future and using this method i have at least got them to their first race with out loosing 90 percent of them .ATB les ps i think that the birds race home this time of night because it is time to go to roost and they dont want to be out side the loft all night. |
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| pjc |
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Location: Carmarthenshire
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Paulo, I agree, some just chase averages at all cost hence the reason they breed so many.
Young bird season for me is all about education for the rest of there racing career!
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I have never tryed darkness The birds have had 10 tosses up too 40mls and only dropped 4 out of 50 After the 10ml stage the birds are put up in groups of 3 They have had 2 tosses with the club too learn them to break from the batch Everything seems to be going great 1st race on Sat 75mls |
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Location: Scotland
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Paulo, I agree, some just chase averages at all cost hence the reason they breed so many.
Young bird season for me is all about education for the rest of there racing career!
Phil
Well said Phil/Paulo. In the last 2 weks I have had 10 yb's in. 2 had full crops, looked like the start of YB sickness. One was still carrying the scars of a previous excursion. One was still squeaking (hadn't thrown a flight). On Friday someone tossed their birds at Stonehaven. The hills were covered in low cloud, and it was drizzling. Disasters are usually unexpected. |
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| IB |
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Changed my methods last year, trained YBs in evening, around 7pm with the 1st around 10 miles, didn't go further than 20 miles. Noticed that they did not take long to get home, and were able to come through weather.
They go out each morning at 6am, time away ranging is starting to tail-off so starting training tonight, after work. |
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Paulo, I agree, some just chase averages at all cost hence the reason they breed so many.
Young bird season for me is all about education for the rest of there racing career!
Phil
spot on |
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| Blue Tooner |
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Posts: 87
Gender: Male
Location: Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
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A lot of replies are pointing the finger at the darkness system but the fanciers in our club that have been hit with the heavy losses all fly natural, there are only 3 lofts in our club that use the darkness system (ourselves are 1 of them) and losses here have been minimal. The weather conditions here the last 2 days have been ideal for training, broken cloud/sunshine, light headwinds, temp. around 14-16 degrees.
A valid point by Gareth about letting them out for exercise before you toss them, we try to practise this ourselves when at all possible.
One of the reasons could be that with the poor weather up here at the weekend, everyone had been training yesterday and our fed covers a large area, so many birds heading in different directions, so there could have been some clashing. |
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Has anybody ever split young birds up into hens and cocks and raced this way? Before the first race of around 70-80 miles how many training tosses and at what distances would you recommend? Thanks. |
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| Paulo |
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Location: Durham
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Has anybody ever split young birds up into hens and cocks and raced this way? Before the first race of around 70-80 miles how many training tosses and at what distances would you recommend? Thanks.
I train mine up to 25 miles and then spilt into cocks and hens then give them as many chucks as I can afford until the first race then they get chucked from 25 miles 2 - 3 times a week if they are flying well from round the cree. Important thing is they must get fed as much as they can eat. If they are working hard they need the bait without rationing or flying to the corn tin |
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my younsters are split hens and cocks all darkness trained up to 18 miles coming in most weathers just wondering if right time to put them on the training wagon . |
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| celtic |
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Gareth,
I know all birds are different, but what would you class as too much yb training ?
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| billy wilson |
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i would just like to add about young bird training,how many fanciers take there birds training when it is overcast ours never go unless there is broken cloud there has to be sunrays getting through somewhere before our birds go training,i think there are a lot of fanciers start to panic when it gets near to the first race and they have to train at all costs.i would sooner miss the first race than train in poor conditions,i know birds will come through rain no bother as long as they get a good start and there not far from home but they cant come long distances through bad weather there is always one or two will get through but i always say better be safe as sorry,had first toss this morning only from 6 miles just to get them used coming out of the baskets.the trouble in scotland there is that much open land they can get miles out of the road,in my area in county durham all the birds come north if they get past they are only a few miles past our lofts unless they hit birds training going south which doesnt happen very often.this is only my opinion and not in anyway meant to affend anyone.
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| leighton1984 |
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my birds coming very well only been 5 times and they are up to 40miles been puting them up in small lots things are looking good at the mo  |
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| FrankDooman |
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Posts: 1,484
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ive had 3 more tosses and they seem to be getting the idea now beat me home twice and i am training old birds with them for arras but they just seem to break off and head home and the y/bds dont have the sence to follow dont think its a darkie problem but i could be wrong fair comment about the weather but it was NOT bad up here when i tossed them so it wasnt that |
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i dont know about homers for a start of
but just a thought
why not send an old bird or two from the same loft just for the first few tosses
this maybe a none runner if so sorry
i should have kept my mouth shut
(and not a chance of that happening its by making comments like this you learn from others so new members dont be afraid to chip in ) micko
Many fanciers already do this. Indeed I know one very successful fancier always sends his best old birds with the youngsters to teach them good habits. I am not sure if it helps returns a great deal. |
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| mac1 |
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took mine today 5 mile for the first chuck missing 33 |
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| S.D.B LOFTS |
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Hatchling Posts: 73
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Took young hens training tonight been same place before main batch got back 9.50 five missing . |
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| shadow |
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took mine today 5 mile for the first chuck missing 33
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