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Where are all the young birds going?
Have heard some real horror stories today.
1 member from my club tossed 60 y/bs from 20 miles at 4.00pm and has only 10 back at dark.
Another member (new starter) tossed 16 last night from 10 miles and didn't see any till this morning and ended up 6 adrift with another member having 16 younger ones missing from off the loft and there are similar reports from other clubs in our fed.
It can't all be hawks

I'm going to start next weekend and i hate this time of year more then any other i've been there done that with the losses at the 1st toss and it's a nightmare until you get them home

its the same through here  club member 34 tossed 1pm  total of 16 2 days later 10mls  none back untill next day getting reported all over the place ive had 3 tosses out to 15 mls and only lost 2 and iam the best off birds should not be getting lost from that distance

Training youngsters is always a dread and it just seems to get worse. I had my own ones at 15 miles today and they took three hours, tell you what though it took my mind off of the Tours race

Training youngsters is always a dread and it just seems to get worse. I had my own ones at 15 miles today and they took three hours, tell you what though it took my mind off of the Tours race

i think thats the problem i was the same and if there are teams going up and down for hrs it stands to reason they must be flying in to one another and that spells disaster for y/birds just learnin the es

i now have 14yb's left out of 36

had a freind drop off birds on his way home i never got none home on the night , got nine out of 22 home now but end of the day , they say you are only droping the sh** ?

i dont know about homers for a start of
but just a thought
why not send an old bird or two from the same loft just for the first few tosses
this maybe a none runner if so sorry
i should have kept my mouth shut
(and not a chance of that happening its by making comments like this you learn from others so new members dont be afraid to chip in ) micko

Just spoke to another of our club members this morning and he dropped 25 yesterday from 15 miles, so that takes it to over 100 youngsters missing from 5 or 6 members in the last 2 days , must be soul destroying. I think Frankdooman has a fair point about teams of y/bs going in all directions for hours, it must spell disaster when they run into one another. Just hope some work back for them, but I bet there wont be too many.  
I wondered if one of the problems was that many youngbirds are being trained before they are ready i.e. not ranging from the loft and being pushed too far too soon.
Would be interested to hear others views on this.

I always toss first time from 12 miles very early in the morning so they get the sky to themselves.

Wonder if its anything to do with the vast amount of young birds on the darkness system. Had 7 chucks so far up to 18 miles and not a problem they all beat me back this morning with ease.

YB's don't seem to rake as much now

Andy I tossed 20 darkness youngsters at 9-00 from 10 miles 2 weeks ago I got 2 on the day 1 the next day 1 reported in Manchester 1 reported dead on a local farm and 15 unaccounted for. They had been of the darkness for three weeks and treated for worms,canker and respiartory.

why are you training youngsters with the forecast for thunder and torrential showers throughout the country with so much electrical activity in the atmospere no wonder you are loseing so many

Quoted from shadow

why are you training youngsters with the forecast for thunder and torrential showers throughout the country with so much electrical activity in the atmospere no wonder you are loseing so many

very true shadow,,,,,,,so very true !!

Quoted from Paulo

Wonder if its anything to do with the vast amount of young birds on the darkness system. Had 7 chucks so far up to 18 miles and not a problem they all beat me back this morning with ease.

YB's don't seem to rake as much now

I've got 20 on dark and 20 on natural the dark ones look better than the natural and handle like yearlings but the natural ones go away raking for hours. While the dark ones rake but not for as long as the natural ones.

First year trying the dark. One strange thing was no YBS last year on all natural but had a bit this year. Rested them for a week and treated and now they are fit again.

I think too many people take the birds away before they are flying well around the loft

Shadow I havent trained a pigeon since last wednesday

First time i have tried the dark system in my life and i have never lost so many young birds training. I only started with 30 and i have lost 9 already. Normaly i fly my young birds natural and hardly ever lose more than 1 or 2 during training. I have had 7 training tosses from up to 12 miles and the young birds have had 4 tosses that have taken over 2 hours.

I am thinking the same about the darknees as I havent lost a natural young bird training this year but have only 4 out of 20 darkies left.

Spot on Shadow, just look at how the atmospheric preasure has changed in the last couple of days!
Keep em at home!

Phil