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Quoted from bigda

well is that it  17  birds from tour's  disaster or what ! Falaise
could  put a finish to the National as we know it, and as for the snrpc they are  all but  done  but don't  want  to alarm  the members, also as they can't find a result
10-13- birds home they think! surly now they must find out why these birds are not  homing, are the birds of this era not as good as   the old strains  where.  500 birds missing this week  200 last week,  400 club birds the week before that
and the week after that another 300 missing 1,500 within a month  and no one is bothering because they got one, on one of those  race days  but should you ask got mine all up.  

the birds are good enough the weather was crap. well done getting them all home. what were your times and from which race(s)?

bart what part are you trying to defend in this  as you know
this has  been going on now for  the last two years and  no one is bothered and if the young bird  fail then what price does it cost  to send, the birdage has  gone down every year  but these last two  have surpassed themselves,  the top fanciers have saved  face in these races  only with one  clocked, and its has  now caught up with them there "flying bank books" are not returning  like  the  way the used to, and they will not admit to it.  

not trying to defend anybody it was a poor race
as for the problems with pigeon racing it has been going on for the last 20 years not 2
but there has always been bad races in the history of the snfc
as for the losses thats another thread i  think

Quoted from bart

not trying to defend anybody it was a poor race
as for the problems with pigeon racing it has been going on for the last 20 years not 2
but there has always been bad races in the history of the snfc
as for the losses thats another thread i  think

your right  about the twenty years,  but the  birds did turn up,   but now if your  not in the expected time you don't see them again,
its like a basket full get through   and the the rest hit a brick wall. club racing is the same,  is there a  military thing that switch its self on and off   every 30 minutes strange  one

Have you ever thought of looking into going with another organisation perhaps one of the national clubs down here that has members racing from the majority of the country you had good race up there when your birds where liberated with the nfc so why not do it again can only see it would be of benefit to your birds I think most clubs that dont have a lot of birds going struggle with returns if it is a hard race

Quoted from bigda

well is that it  17  birds from tour's  disaster or what ! Falaise
could  put a finish to the National as we know it, and as for the snrpc they are  all but  done  but don't  want  to alarm  the members, also as they can't find a result
10-13- birds home they think! surly now they must find out why these birds are not  homing, are the birds of this era not as good as   the old strains  where.  500 birds missing this week  200 last week,  400 club birds the week before that
and the week after that another 300 missing 1,500 within a month  and no one is bothering because they got one, on one of those  race days  but should you ask got mine all up.  

Bigda you seem to do a lot of slagging of organisations and what happens in them but what club/s are you in where do you fly your pigeons and who are you??

Alan

Quoted from ALF

Bigda you seem to do a lot of slagging of organizations and what happens in them but what club/s are you in where do you fly your pigeons and who are you??

Alan

   and  where  do you get that impression from
and as for slagging  organizations i have stated my opinion on facts that are happening   in the racing game just now  valuable  birds i that i have sent,  and there is no one  in here    seem to be bothered about there loss, of birds in the  feds  if the race from France had  a tad more birds home from it it  the delegates would be cock a hoop, and you don't send to the distance your self  its alright to say what you want, but don't ask for a postmortem
i am thinking of leaving one fed to join another   and who have the birds interest at heart, and not  that someone is talking behind someones back  as as who iam  i the police would"t ask those questions  i am just a guy who is not prepared to let  offenders off !  and if it was-en"t for this forum  the  common man would be keep in the dark  they way it  was of old .

Quoted from bigda

   and  where  do you get that impression from
and as for slagging  organizations i have stated my opinion on facts that are happening   in the racing game just now  valuable  birds i that i have sent,  and there is no one  in here    seem to be bothered about there loss, of birds in the  feds  if the race from France had  a tad more birds home from it it  the delegates would be cock a hoop, and you don't send to the distance your self  its alright to say what you want, but don't ask for a postmortem
i am thinking of leaving one fed to join another   and who have the birds interest at heart, and not  that someone is talking behind someones back  as as who iam  i the police would"t ask those questions  i am just a guy who is not prepared to let  offenders off !  and if it was-en"t for this forum  the  common man would be keep in the dark  they way it  was of old .

I think you would have more chance of getting a decent reply to your questions about these races you are on about if everyone knew who they were talking to but if you are another 1 who wants to keep your name a secret that,s up to you

Quoted from ALF

I think you would have more chance of getting a decent reply to your questions about these races you are on about if everyone knew who they were talking to but if you are another 1 who wants to keep your name a secret that,s up to you

alf the reason i prefer not to know your name and every one on this  site is  that it causes less  friction  between  them  and me  i am happy to help if i can  this  pigeon game is getting harder
yes  some  officials are  wee Hitlers given office but are economical with the truth   there is already a split  in the feds going from west to east  and should that happen,  whats the chances of forgiveness it one of those race goes ape ship from the east,  we cant afford  a split,  my self is statues  qua for this year to save the fed then talk turkey then after.

Quoted from bigda

alf the reason i prefer not to know your name and every one on this  site is  that it causes less  friction  between  them  and me  i am happy to help if i can  this  pigeon game is getting harder
yes  some  officials are  wee Hitlers given office but are economical with the truth   there is already a split  in the feds going from west to east  and should that happen,  whats the chances of forgiveness it one of those race goes ape ship from the east,  we cant afford  a split,  my self is statues  qua for this year to save the fed then talk turkey then after.

Everybody on here knows me anyway

BIGDA i dont know where you get your info , the SNRPC  IS  not  all but done. WE at the SNRPC are as dumb struck as the rest of britain about the last couple of weeks . I think we have about between 12/14 in result from messac on par with the other national .

there are 17 on the messac result.  10 per cent of the entry.

Just to balance some of the horror stories that have been posted here.

In my club alone 4 members sent 10 birds to Tours and at close on the 3rd day returns were (at least) 6/10. Not disastrous by any means although I take the point that maybe above average across the country. It's a small convoy, no matter what the weather you'll get  a hard race with a small convoy from 600 miles.

In Ypres 2 members sent 5 birds and returns are 100%

Long distance racing is hard, national racing is hard - it's meant to be - thats why it's special and we all get a buzz when we get one. If they all arrived home in a clatter and it was a piece of cake to time in from the distance then the sense of achievement wouldn't be there, it would just be another race. The committed distance fanciers know this and although disappointed if they didn't time in  or lost a champion, they will re-group and be back to try again next week, or next season.

With regards to Jamies Thread 17 Members in the Lanarkshire Social Circle sent 47 Birds and only 7 pigeons have managed the Tours result with velocities ranging from 924--449. 85% Losses   Overall this season we have sent 16 pigeons to all S.N.F.C races and dropped 4.However in the Fed our losses are up to 55% which i believe was down to the winds in the first six races and pigeons not being good enough .As i have always said there is 95% Sh-te in every loft with only a handfull of good pigoens.National minded members wiil re-group,takestock and come back next year.May i take this oppertunity to Congratulate W.Graham in winning the West Sect and the LSC from Tours and good luck to all who will be competing in the Falaise Race on 18th June .

85% losses  for this race  falalase to come on your valuation on  the seven birds home  are the best birds,  and next year there is no point in sending birds back as the 7 returned from tours are going to be hard to beat,  the fact is 85% from 5,000 birds at the distance are missing this year and they are in your words "crap" if you send those 7 birds next year  how  much are you willing to pay £ 25 per bird as the numbers are not there any more and if you think 85% of the fanciers are going to pool birds next year you haven"t thought this through
the stock birds are  now condemned for this failure as you say
bad birds,  and to regroup  as you say  with what.

3 different races from 450 mls to 650mls the biggest convoy 300 birds, not too clever from us canny scots, the weather was terrible but what do we expect with such small numbers,never mind the snfc & snrpc will just have to run more yb sales to raise funds and maybe even a coffee morning!!!!!!!! very dissapointed distance fancier. lets get it sorted.

dont think there will be any chance of only the one organisation organising long distance races into scotland to many issues that i dont think will be resolved

http://www.snfc.co.uk/Result.aspx    50 timed in

Quoted from clockman

http://www.snfc.co.uk/Result.aspx    50 timed in

i and 250 bad birds missing

can anybody explain to me why we have two orginisations in scotland sending birds across the channel when its bleedin obvious that one could be better for all concerned     im not a national flyer but aspire to it