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This is the second of the eyes I eliminate as not suitable of those we need to keep, although judging by the strong composite super imposed on the adaptation it shows a strong tendency to be a good racer, I am afraid that is as far as its limitations go.
Its inability to reproduce its like will be a very disappointing factor of a bird with this eye, for you will note that it is very difficult to ascertain where the iris ends and the correlation begins, certainly not recommended for stock purposes.
This is the eye of a bird that although it is the first of the five circle eyes, they are not clearly defined. Again illustration 15 shows a good composite racing sign but the fifth circle is very thin and weak, which means this bird may produce only one in ten good pigeons. Ten percent is not acceptable to me so I exclude such eyes from the stock loft. Remember the world statistics are ascertained to be in the region of seven percent good pigeons that we breed. That says to me that 93% are not worth much, and yet many of them are kept and allowed to produce because the owner likes the look of them.
This is the first of those eyes we can consider trying at stock, there again we must realise that this eye has the bare minimum requirements of those for stock purposes, and will only produce about twenty five percent good honest pigeons. It will be observed from the illustration that this eye has a lot of character, but unfortunately the iris has dominated the eye. This happens when putting winner to winner or pigeons with very wide irises, certainly my last choice when selecting for the stock loft.
If you got a bird with a full iris shouldnt you put it to a bird that hasnt
Hello Rose,
The answer to this is the same as putting a large bird with a small bird, you will not breed medium sized birds. The same with a bird with a full iris to a bird with a weak iris.
You will breed full iris birds and weak iris birds. Sorry, genetics does not work the way we would like it to.
We can see from this illustration that the eyes are getting more clearly defined, so that we can now start to recognise the five circle distinctly in the genetic make up of the eye. The only fault with this eye is that the iris is broader than the correlation, and although this is a sign of distance capabilities in this type of pigeon, it also reduces the amount of progeny you can expect to produce that will help improve the breeding standards of the stock loft where it is housed.
I would say a bird of this calibre will produce fifty percent good honest pigeons, that is to say birds that can win from one hundred and fifty kilometres up to a thousand kilometres. In my opinion this is what the discerning fancier should be trying to achieve, for in many countries where the money is on short fast races, blow home birds are the sort of pigeons that these countries are now producing.
I call them short, fast, blow home pigeons and I place very little value on such birds, and can no longer respect the breeding prowess of such nations as those that are producing mainly that sort of degenerated racing pigeon.
Jack I have been down many roads regarding eye evaluation,most have something to offer,some more than others,depending on whom you are studying,but I do find your five circle evaluation easily the complete package of all systems I have studied and also find it very benifical in improving my knowledge of birds whilst improving breeding/performance and I would like to say thanks for printing same,for all to see,in such a basic easily defineable manner,and hopefully you will keep imparting your knowledge, once again many thanks Jack
Jack I have been down many roads regarding eye evaluation,most have something to offer,some more than others,depending on whom you are studying,but I do find your five circle evaluation easily the complete package of all systems I have studied and also find it very benifical in improving my knowledge of birds whilst improving breeding/performance and I would like to say thanks for printing same,for all to see,in such a basic easily defineable manner,and hopefully you will keep imparting your knowledge, once again many thanks Jack
i could not say it better merlin,,,theres something here for all to learn who wants to !!!
I would like to say thank you to those who have expressed their interest and have given me encouragement on this thread. My material on this subject is soon coming to a close, but I have over 60 years experience in many fields of pigeon keeping. When these articles come to an end, I will still be here to answer questions and to discuss anything to do with racing pigeons.
May I thank you once again for helping to make this thread a success.
Well,! you may ask do they get any better, and I will say yes, but only about one step further up the ladder. When one lookes into this eye and starts to look for faults, even to the trained observer it is hard to know where to begin. This bird will breed stock pigeons and winners like they are going out of fashion. We can found a stock loft around this pigeon that will hold its own against all comers. This is not the every day pigeon you will find in any loft.
I am looking for these myself and would never hesitate to introduce a bird of this quality. All the characteristics we have discussed up until now are there, not so clearly defined between Nine o clock and Six o clock, but never the less still there in all its glory.
Learn from this eye for I cannot fault it other than the small quarter of definition on the iris, which I have just mentioned.
Thanks Jack and I for one am looking forward to gleaning from your experience in pigeons,as one of my Teachers informed me long ago " A good pupil listens if he wishes to learn" I am still capable of learning,and like many more still listening.
Jack where was the best eye you ever saw Who's loft had the most overall good eyes you have ever visited
Hello Slugmonkey,
In your own country some of the best eyes were at:- Steve & Linda Joneli, Red Rose lofts, Portland -Oregon. The late John Garzoli- California. Sions. The late Dale Flemmer-Arlington-Washington. Grondelaars.
The best eye I ever saw, I bought on a sale by using a person who lived 500 miles away to bid for it for me. I would have never have got the pigeon and its father if people knew I was after them. They both founded my South African Slimme family.
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