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If the question spirint is not on the poll, could you post us the spirint name please

Hofkens
Jos Sootjens

Always thought Van Hee were Middle/long distance Pigeons

Van Hee is in the Spirint of  Louella Lofts's Group Spirint, Linda.

That's as may be Craig I had a couple of Van Hee's in England and sent them over the Brook

VAN HEE ARE NOT IN THE SPIRINT GROUP AT LOUELLA THAY ARE IN THE LONG DISTACE

Quoted from HEATHCOTE

VAN HEE ARE NOT IN THE SPIRINT GROUP AT LOUELLA THAY ARE IN THE LONG DISTACE

Excuse me - Van Hee was in the group Spirint at Louella Lofts,

SPEIGHT EXCUSE ME LOOK AGAIN VAN HEE NOT VERHEYES

 As already stated most if not all sprint pigeons have Janssen Blood in them.

 We are into the van-reets and have had a good fewwinners from them.

  Think that the Sootjens have the Van-Reets blood in them, ???????.

  May be wrong

  RAY

ray ,van reets and soontjens have hofkens blood in them ( geshifte ,Driebander etc )  think staff used a pigeon called grote tom or late tom as a cross ? from soontjen .so we aint far out !

 CHEERS MATE


 RAY

Geschifte (ring number blg 78 6467881), winner of 22x1st prizes, was a full brother to Late Tom ( ring number blg 80 6796080) winner of 3x1st prizes. Both are sons of Tom when paired to a pigeon known as Blauw De Wolfe. Staff Van Reet got six pigeons off Jos Soontjen, one of these youngsters was ring number  blg 85 6723031
which was the sire of Grote Tom, who in turn sired the likes of Favorie (8x1st) and Den Don (10x1st I think).
blg 85 6723031 was a son of Late Tom and Geschelpt Verherstraeten.Geschelpt Verherstraeten was purchased by Soontjen from a club member who didnt fly too good but this pigeon was always on the prize list. This pair became the top pair and are in all the Soontjen pedigrees. Hope this clarifies things.

Van reet as albert irwens pigeons crossed into them

chukpop see web page August hofkens ( Nelles van der pol ) FONDMAN B72.6311131 brother to GESCHIFTE B72.6211120 stafs original HOFKENS HEN BELG 76 6790981 was bred by Gus hofkens from blauwe manneke b75.6234134 son of geschifte ( from driebander and theeuwesduiven  ) This from ref h . of the very first sale list staf had in the u.k i was there bankrupting myself in leeds ( still have the sale lists ) . dont know much about later day van reets ,just the originals......ray

SILVERWINGS
DID THE HOFKEN PIGEON THAT STAF HAD FROM GUS HAVE NELLES VAN DER POL IN IT OR DID STAF PUT IT IN; I HAVE HAD HOFKEN X NELLES VAN DER POL  SINCE THE LATE 1980 IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM LET ME KNOW MY BIRDS CAME FROM THE LATE LOUIS VAN HOVE OF MERKSPLAS THE SAME VILLAGE AS GUS           PS THIS IS NOT A ADVERT IT IS JUST FOR REF  

When did Bert and Dave Allen brought Vanreets into the UK ?

the best sprint birds are bred down from a line of the best sprint winners .
van winneranybreeds   mated up with van managements  

speight , i think the first birds direct from staf went to bert hession 1984/5 will check this out for you , first indirect birds in the uk Merlin Hudson

heathcote ,just used nelles van der pol to direct him to the web page re ; the original geschifte pigeon .the one he had mentioned came much later , nelles van der pol founded his loft on birds from hofkens and emile vereheart ,stafs hen 76.6790961 from 75.6234134 son of geschifte and the schone blauwe from the lichte bourges of 64 and the janssen duiven, the dam of 961 was 69.6320035 daughter of the driebander and the theeuwsduiven of 66 according to the sales list he had 961 frm hofkens direct ,

Silverwings, you stated that Van Reets and "SOONTJENS" cary the blood of Hofkens in them. As an example you mentioned Geschifte. Well the Geschifte of Soontjens isnt the Geschifte of Hofkens, so thats what I was clarifying. The rest of my post was giving a little history on the pigeon That Staff had called Grote Tom, which is where Van Reets and Soontjens have a  connection. If I misunderstood your post then accept my appologies. I have seen a Soontjen pigeon with the Driebander in its blood but that come from a cross that Manfred Fossen (Germany) put into it (Vet Bol X something with Driebander in it), Hofkens not what Jos Soontjen put into them as far as I know.

the albert irwins cross into van reets loft is responsible for some of the best birds to fly in this country

chukpop think we are mixing our geschifters ,sorry for any confusion mate ? mixing our geshifters ! ( sounds like an elvis costello record ) ? anyone out there know the origins of soontjens pigeons never realy looked into them ?

Quoted from Silverwings

speight , i think the first birds direct from staf went to bert hession 1984/5 will check this out for you , first indirect birds in the uk Merlin Hudson

heathcote ,just used nelles van der pol to direct him to the web page re ; the original geschifte pigeon .the one he had mentioned came much later , nelles van der pol founded his loft on birds from hofkens and emile vereheart ,stafs hen 76.6790961 from 75.6234134 son of geschifte and the schone blauwe from the lichte bourges of 64 and the janssen duiven, the dam of 961 was 69.6320035 daughter of the driebander and the theeuwsduiven of 66 according to the sales list he had 961 frm hofkens direct ,

Thanks Silverwings, and saw your 19 years old mealy................hope he stay healthly for you.

Quoted from Hyacinth

Hofkens
Jos Sootjens

Hofkens - I thought Hofkens for Long Distance ?Linda, and how did they do this year for you and your husband ?

Hofkens is in the Janssen Based is it right or wrong?

VAN-REETS  for me

Ian

Hello.

If you are a Spirint fancier, and what feeds and water do you give them before basketting day, please.

Regards
Speight

Hi craig

Sun= gerry plus    water has epsom salts / bicarb soda / glucose powder
Mon= gerry plus    water yackolt
tue's= gerry plus   water only
wed = super w/hood plus.  water metertone
thurs=super w/hood plus.  water  only    feed as much as they want pm
fri = am  white millett 1/2 oz per bird  water only    if hot weather then we put glucose in water.

sat = on return from race small seed with lemon juice and brewers yeast, made the day before so it is dry.   pm gerry plus

hope this helps mate

RAY

Thanks mate...........  

i think campus janssens must be up there with the best sprinters  

The best sprint pigeons are the ones that win people keep on goin on about this breed that breed yet 99% of pigeons are just a mixture of others if you like 2 birds and they win pair them together a pure any thing can be brought any where a pigeon with 10-15 1st is rare but i know the one i would go for

Quoted from WINGS_04

i think campus janssens must be up there with the best sprinters  

campus janssens comes from Belgium and which fancier ? wings

Quoted from AlanWilkins

The best sprint pigeons are the ones that win people keep on goin on about this breed that breed yet 99% of pigeons are just a mixture of others if you like 2 birds and they win pair them together a pure any thing can be brought any where a pigeon with 10-15 1st is rare but i know the one i would go for

100% CORRECT MATE

RAY

RAY
DO YOU FLY NORTH OR SOUTH

SOUTH ROAD
HEATHCOTE

RAY

ive been looking at vercammens record in belgium as the top pools winner well that looks like a damn good recomendation for a sprint/middle distance strain 2 me
hes selectively breed a strain that will sprint well in even the hardest conditions

ps weve got mainly van hees there an alrounder  famed for its capability of winning at all distances if that clears up the confussion

I'l vote for the Verkerks thanks for outright sprinting.     Gaby's for the middle.  

Speight

There aint no way on this earth that you can ever classify Van Hee as a sprinter.  No way.  

Mike,

I never know what strains VAN HEE's are in the Spriniters or Middle/Long Distances!

The Gerard & Michael Van Hee were imported bu Louella in the early-mid 1970's.  Such lines as "Motta" and "Patrick" etc. Dad had 'em in 1975 & they were, and remain a superb 500 mile pigeon.
No way can they possibly be construed as a sprinter.

Whatever wins for you im sticking to my heinz 57 Im new to sprinting and after looking at the birds for sale at blackpool i came to the conclusion that every breed going on what was said about them was the best

Rose,

How far did you send your spirints?

felix pauwels birds are excellent

Nowt but clean food & clean water for 72 hrs prior to basketing.   Too many birds are offered stuff they do'nt drink properly & this just brings on dehydration that bit faster.

THE RENE VAN DE WEYERS FROM MOL SEEM TO LIKE THE SPRINT RACES

Jimmy wrote
the best sprint birds are bred down from a line of the best sprint winners .
van winneranybreeds     mated up with van managements    

Quoted from AlanWilkins

The best sprint pigeons are the ones that win people keep on goin on about this breed that breed yet 99% of pigeons are just a mixture of others if you like 2 birds and they win pair them together a pure any thing can be brought any where a pigeon with 10-15 1st is rare but i know the one i would go for

Rose wrote
Whatever wins for you im sticking to my heinz 57 Im new to sprinting and after looking at the birds for sale at blackpool i came to the conclusion that every breed going on what was said about them was the best


I agree wotih Jimmy, Alan and Rose!!! 100%  

I like to think that all my birds are delbars (which aren't very good on the sprint or so they say) but I've had winners from 62 mile, I am beginning to think a pigeon is just a pigeon it'l either win or it won't, afterall, the winner is the first bird home whether its a delbar, janssen, van reet or whatever, Its our job to get the pigeon home quicker than anyone else.
you have to keep em fit and healthy, if you haven't got these things, nothing else will do.

vanreet joined forces with jos sootjen in a breeding programme with each others birds for experimental purposes,thats why you will see sootjen names in van reets,luke geerinx got them off sootjen and was the only fancier to beat jos with youngbirds at the time.But a question may well be asking is were did the old tom come from what breed was he as jos said he wasnt a janssen pigeon.

Brasspennings, Vanreets and Van loons are the fast pigeons....... will still test on the other spirinters........  

Has anyone tried Louis Cooreman pige