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got some kirkpatricks, & some putmans, & some janssenxbuscharts

CANT SEE THE RESULT OF POLL AS I HAVENT VOTED, AS I AGREE WITH ROSE AND SHADOW,, WITH THE RIGHT MANAGEMENT THE BEST BIRDS WILL SOON SHOW, IRRESPECTIVE OF THE SO CALLED BREED,

if birds have been line bred and inbred for so many generations you get a certain type that all look the same or colour type,just like the janssen pigeons they were made up of certain strains and moulded together to create one hell of a family of birds, we can call them pure just as we call dogs german shepards,dalmations ,bull dogs etc etc. the old arendonk janssens were all inbred together and all looked the same type.

a pedigree is as only as good as the man what wrote,it................!                         you can turn anything into whatever breed you like

DONT REALLY THINK IT'S THE NAME  MORE THE WAY YOU FEED THEM,
NOBODY THAT HAS ANY REAL FORTE IN EITHER SPRINT OR DISTANCE FEEDS THEM THE SAME WAY
SO CALLED SPRINT DOO'S WILL WIN AT THE DISTANCE IF FED FOR THE JOB AND VICE VERSA

Square Peg

By and large I think you're right.  However, there are some distance families for love nor money just will not win at 100km irrespective of how you feed or train.  By the same token, I can find you plenty of pigeons that won't handle 14 hrs on the day.  They've either got it in their armoury or they haven't.

Mike

as ive posted on here before, i still belive that if you have a good pigeon that is coming well from 200miles etc and you push his that bit further and he has a hard fly, he will never win from 200miles again. you ask a top fancier if hes had a bird coming well on the land, then goes and puts him over the water and he has a 10+ hour fly, i bet he wasnt half the bird he was ever again. i know you might get the odd exception to the rule.

Think Mike is right what he says it bit different when birds got start looking at 14hrs most birds if you got them right and they are half decent will do 10 - 12 hrs you can get a sprinter out of a 500ml race if it is easy and fast but i would bet you wouldnt see them if it was hard and you were looking at race with them doing under 1000ypm same as distance birds it not very often will you see them winning the short races

the best pigeons in the UK are winning ones no matter what breeding

gez
spot on ...

I and D maddison from H/POOL has the best bird in the unc and the uk  its won from alover nowt to touch it, fantastic bird even mike lycett has got one to touch this one..........lol

Only way you can prove you got the best birds in the UK is if your racing against everyone in the uk

so how do you do that.. rose   ?   its record says it all fantastic nowt to touch it

You cant with the UNC same as we couldnt prove it down here  you are only beating those within your combines radius suppose the only one club where you could have the opportunity to compete against most people is if your racing with the nfc which is open to all of us but then i dont even think that gives u a fair result we can do their longest race on the day most times your birds wont be able to

sorry BICC and BBC would be open to you as well

Agree there Rose, you can never call it a fair race if you are racing against people 200-300 miles apart, as the birds further up the country may have to get through adverse weather conditions when other birds are home and dry. I think these one loft races are the fairest way to find the best birds, or they would be if they were flown over greater distances so the clever birds have a chance to make a break for home. In the UNC we are all flying to pretty much the same line but where I fly in Teesside the birds generally get dragged either down the east coast or too far north, so you have to have the birds blob on mentally to beat people 20-30 mile north of us or 15 mile east of us. Some race days you see very few birds coming down the line and may as well look the other way. Luckily for me I work on the east coast so I can train my birds to break from there.

I never thought it fair sbelbin an argument I have often had over Pau if one bird has a night out they all should and I can do Pau on the day quite easily where I live all birds should face the same positions if possible  Think you are right probably the fairest way is the one loft races but same as you dont seem to think the birds should get longer distances in them  Seems we have completely different way of flying down here fed i fly in think goes from Brighton to Wimborne along the southcoast which i imagine must be about 80 miles so we definately not on the same line

The pigeon of Maddison's is without doubt a cracker - 24 carat gold.   However, the 2005 RPRA Sprint Champion of the UK is "Scarecrow" by Donnelly Bros.. PHENOMENAL PIGEON.  Same pigeon was 3rd UK Sprint champion in 2005.    Wins against over 20,000 birds on all winds.    WHAT A RIP SNORTER !!!

Mike

Best strain? Those that score for you at the distance you do best at. The origins of my loft reads like a phone book. But who cares. Not me. Mine are well tried and tested, that's all that matters.

when did bert and allen brought s v reets in the uk?