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Hi everyone

I would like peoples thoughts on respiratory problems and what you use to keep the birds clear, the best treatments etc etc

I USE MILTON TO KEEP THE BIRDS THROUTS AND WATTLES CLEAR  

Quoted from iceribbo

Hi everyone

I would like peoples thoughts on respiratory problems and what you use to keep the birds clear, the best treatments etc etc

Good ventilation and you should not get  many birds with respiritory problems. If you get the occasional one with the snuffles. Get a cotton bud and wet it with olbas oil and smear over both nostrils then hold the beak closed so that the bird breathes in the vapour and after a couple of treatments the bird should be OK.

fly hard fly fair

Quite easy to get 'lulled' into thinking 'respiratory' illness is just about the 'breathing bits'. Causes eye problems too and symptoms can be eye(s) only.  

here i go again putting my finger in the fire,,,, well the best thing is obviously prevention,,, a dry,airy, uncrowded loft     but youll occasionaly see a bit of respiratory now and again  .i.e birds homming after a while and wild birds drinking their water, and i do beleive that milton in the water can stop it spreading to other birds , and as bruno said, some eye problems are are in fact respiratory problems, some are not.    but, now how can i say this,     has any one tried or heard of, a bird with  one eyed cold,,,,spitting in its eye, it must be pure spit, not off a smoker or drinker, preferrably a childs spit, ill say no more at the moment, see what reaction i get.  think ill change my name now, or flit  

Wonder what peoples feelings on birds that have had respiratory problems breeding ybs with respiratory problems it is something I wonder could be a hereditary problem

100% correct on the "spit" Jimmy, (but from a clean mouth, is there such a thing?)  

Posted elsewhere about the two y/b I had problems with this year. Club mate 40 years in the game that I asked to have a look at them (from eine bigge distance!   ) told me he'd been told the same, he's a non smoker who likes a drink, and has tried it in the past with his birds and found it had worked.

Won't bore you with 'the science bit' but our saliva and mouths contain friendly bacteria which produce agents that kill other less friendly stuff. How many times have you instinctively licked a cut finger? Or seen a dog lick its cut paw?

Club meeting yesterday, raised subject of eye problems and learned that the problem the other fancier had was Chlamydia ... respiratory disease ... 'but shows up as an eye problem'.

Also agree 101% about prevention better than cure. Stop smoking and you'll also have another natural 'medicine' avialable for the birds - on tap and free.  

a well ventilated loft is priority,top of the list!!!!!!              otherwise your defeating yourself!!!

Quoted from Rose

Wonder what peoples feelings on birds that have had respiratory problems breeding ybs with respiratory problems it is something I wonder could be a hereditary problem

If I find birds have reccuring problems, one eye cold and need constant medication they are moved on and the youngsters they may be feeding.

fly hard fly fair

Well, to connect Bewted, Rose, Shadow and my own posts.  

Agree with you Bewted, good ventilation is a must. I've got that, yet this year for the first time had two youngsters, not related, one 4/5 weeks old just shifted from the nest (nest mate 100%, parents 100%, bros & sis 100%), and another which had been trained and was racing, go down with a respiratory problem. Both birds isolated from the others. The race bird was also stopped from racing when it came back out of quarantine. Good ventilation & no respiratory, nor 'related birds' - none appear to have any direct connection here.

Also had a hen bird with a wing problem last year. Got the fright of my life when one of her youngsters had a wing problem this year. Vet jobs for two reasons: wing problem way beyond me; and wanted to ensure that there was no hereditary connection in the 'illness'. Dam had an infected shoulder joint last year; daughter had broken a bone in her wing this year = pure co-incidence, not 'genetic'.

I think if a parent has an illness and a single offspring develops the same illness, its co-incidence Rose, or at worst the parent transmitted the problem when feeding the youngster. But if all the offspring developed the same illness = hereditary.

flyers round these parts treat respiratoy problems with a product called tiamutin { think thats how it spells ? } the old remedy was called tylan ! not had this problem yet but store the info just in case ,you never know ? think the vet would have to get these products not realy sure ?

Your right silverwings from a vet ive a bottle lasts a long time and clears it up in no time

From the web:

Tylan banned in this country? Used in America for cattle and poultry. One of the test parameters in the clinical trials was for weight gain: 'helped animal gain weight (fine for farm animals I suppose).

Tiamutin authorised for use in this country : designed for pigs. Same test parameter -'helped animal gain weight', again fine for a farm animal, but there's a big difference between a mammal and a bird's respiratory systems.

Humble opinion time: doctoring pigeons up is kind of last resort stuff. Doctoring them up with non-pigeon products is kind of no resort stuff. Finding out what's causing it in the first place and putting and end to it - well that's first class stuff.  

tiamutin is an anti biotic used in pigs,etc , i dont know if theve changed, the specifics of tiamutin, but it used to be called dynamutalin,,as a severe measure, of respiritory problems, will cure this in pigeons, but would have to be used very very
carefully AND with the proper dosage,,,,,,the reason i say this ive seen what overdosage can do,,i think the old adage here is prevention is better than cure,

tylan is used for much the same reason, also for pigs,etc, this is also a strong antibiotic,, in my opinion better avoided, unless ABSOLUTELY neccessary
these products can only be got on prescription from vet

please dont think im getting on at you silverwings and silverdale, as antibiotics are a great thing in there place, and have saved many lives, but used a lot will lower your birds immune system, and have the opposite affect.  maybe its worth looking in to.

no tylan is not banned in this country

bruno and jimmy, i agree with weakening of the immune system, my own birds dont get antibiotics or any of the vast array of specifics on the shop shelf ,but i still try to be aware of all these curatives (as a just incase ) the only treatments  i use are grown in my garden ie, rue ,stinging nettles ,dandelion ,elderberry,wormwood,etc on the other hand a lot  of the younger  people in this game dont have the back up of experience behind them , and by the time they get their heads round what is killing their pigeons their lofts are devastated ? and their out if it !  thats were this techno stuff ,this new wonder drug called internet comes into its own and the likes of Dr Bruno and Dr White are on hand to advise these novices , that will at least give them a start point to advise the vet of the problem ,enableing him ( the vet ) in some cases to solve their troubles a lot faster ........so keep up Dr FINLAY'S good work lads

Er .. timely reminder, please remember that Dr Bruno's a novice, Silv.

Agree with you 100% about the natural stuff though..except when its foxgloves and things like it!    

er   timely reminder, please remember  dr white  aint no novice,, and aint no fool either.

linco spectin

anyone heard of that for respitory and any advice on the product.

LINCOSPECTIN IS THE TRADE NAME SPECTINOMYCIN,IT IS THE INTHING  NOW AND TOOK OVER FROM TYLAN THE TRADE NAME FOR TYLOSIN BOTH CAN BE  GEVEN  TO PIGEONS  AND YOU CAN GET THEM FROM A VET

heard of spectinomycin ,sounds like the  same group for treating mycoplasmosis or something ?  all this stuf only from the vet , alternatively.....crushing a cinamon stick and licorice wood into a cup of boiling water , cool  it and half a cup to a gallon of water helps clear and prevent congestion . as does oil of eucalyptus soaked in a beer mat   hung near the air vents, opens up the old nasals for the widowers ,improves the intake of oxygen , improves the form ! dont break the bank either

SPITTING IN EYES
I have done this for over 50 years but for the best effect do it first thing in the morning before eating drinking or cleaning teeth, the wet eye will be dry within an hour. Iam a smoker.

good old doogal, glad somebody agreed with me, and my OLD pal bruno off course  im sure bruno could explain the virtues of this,better than me.,[if he does ill take the OLD back ]

Hi Doogal, watch White there, he's just fishing (wishin?) for someone older than him.    

Deliberately kept clear of 'the science bit' before, just mentioned our mouths contain friendly bacteria that kill other less friendly stuff.

You'll all recognise this one, fright time, its a Streptococcus chappie.

So if you spit some Strep, you'll clear Clamydia and others, sharpish like.  

Now don't sit up late practising this !!!!!        

I think we had distance spitting championships at one time.  

[quote=bruno]Hi Doogal, watch White there, he's just fishing (wishin?) for someone older than him.    

"Deliberately kept clear of 'the science bit' before, just mentioned our mouths contain friendly bacteria that kill other less friendly stuff."
     o.k you win bruno, ill take the "old" bit back  
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if your birds had respiratory what would you give them to cure it?

Hi there

Firstly check if nothing is stuck in the troat.

Check the eyes, if watery then you need antibotics as it will be cold eye illness.

I hope this helps as this is also a learning curve for me to.

Thanks

Quoted from bristolkev

if your birds had respiratory what would you give them to cure it?

LINCO SPECTRIN

Cinnimon / honey, and perhaps even a pod of black pepper.

fural

Fresh air

bin bag and fill it

Quoted from nutverlal

Hi there

Firstly check if nothing is stuck in the troat.

Check the eyes, if watery then you need antibotics as it will be cold eye illness.

I hope this helps as this is also a learning curve for me to.

Thanks

it sure is!

Quoted from 1145

bin bag and fill it

with what daft doomen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you could try mint leaves in water and honey this is quite good for them or breath ezz from body and ridewood

plenty fresh air and would make sure loft is bone dry,, if you must use antibiotics , tylan

which would u consider the most affective against any respiritory infections,and wot price is it...where to get it and so on?...thanks....paul.

linco spectin

open fronted pigeon loft plenty of fresh air its free and is natures own natural cure  

Try Ornispecial with WN from Belgica De Weerd both are first class products and are on page 167 Brittish Homing World

regardless how much fresh air pigeon have they can still get 'respiritory infections'

Quoted from 1145

open fronted pigeon loft plenty of fresh air its free and is natures own natural cure  

plenty fresh air sure helps prevention , but also a clean,dry  loft ,,   as a last resort use tylan [antibiotic ] i,e vets advice

Tylan should be used at the rate of 1g per litre of water.  You should mix it with warm water first before adding it to the drinker.It is marketed by a company called Elanco, and is only available through your vet. I found it to be the most effective product against respiratory infections.

Quoted from David Home

Tylan should be used at the rate of 1g per litre of water.  You should mix it with warm water first before adding it to the drinker.It is marketed by a company called Elanco, and is only available through your vet. I found it to be the most effective product against respiratory infections.

Thats the most informitive post I have heard on tylan.

Cheers