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Just a note to support Billymac and Johnny11 experience / info on beans & water.  

On moult mix just now, mostly 'small seeds' and as you say Billymac, droppings are formed up but definitely not firm. Curious thing though is my water consumption's gone down. Normally feed a mixture high in beans, peas maize etc, water consumption is a lot higher, yet droppings are firmer?

Is there fibre in beans which is 'indigestible', while seed is bland and almost totally digested? Going back a bit now, but a good human diet was supposedly high in fibre (roughage).

Us johnny our distance birds are natural never flown widowhood and never likely too our results as good as any of the widowhood fliers if u got your hens right they will take a lot of beating out of the long races especially if they turn out hard

tried them on beans but found they struggled opening the tin..

Er, thats actually maize in that there tin, Ribble.  

one i heard at at moot,bit of fun i thouhgt.but go on then what tins that.......

It's still a bit of fun, Ribble.  

That there tin of what we call 'beans', is really a tin of maize, wot the Americans call 'corn'. All tastes the same to me though.  

Next proof of how stupid I be.  

Noted 'pulses' mentioned. Je hisnae a clue pas what pulses are and apart from beans peas, wheat , maize wouldn't know most of the grains / seeds even if they fell out the sky one-by-one and hitted me on me napper.  

Anybody recommend a publication 'with photies' of grains and seeds, each labelled with its name and a summary or breakdown of the food types each contains(carbohydrates, vits, mins, etc). I would also be interested in knowing their gross % salt content.

Hi Bruno,

In fact in your last posting you happened to list two pulses !! Peas and beans are both pulses, and to keep it simple pulses are mostly another name for the seeds of pod bearing fruit/vegetable plants viz ;peas,beans,lentils etc. The only book I know where various grains are pictured and summarised is in 'Keep Your Pigeons Healthy' by Leon Whitney ( unfortunately they're in black & white ) Another good read is 'Feed To Win' by Andre Christiaens......especially the bit on powdered milk !!!

Sincerely,
Paul.

Thanks Showman, remember Witney's book well from the 60's.  

Think it might be out of print now though. Local library has his "the pigeon" avialable in the Reference Section. Maybe try a photo copy there or ye olde parchmente and truste pen, whichever mood I happen to be in : lazy or really lazy!    

Thanks too for clarifying what pulses are.  

another good book is  wendell levi     the pigeon. mines is lent out never to return. but if i remember right there are photos in that on various grains.

Trust White to give me a right showin up.  

Did you an Showman plan this together?  

Spot on Jimmy. The pigeon was by Levi, and not Whitney, and that is the book in my library.    

But I was nearly right - they both have "L & W" in their names - somewhere.  

honestly sorry bruno, didnt mean it like that, didnt want to raise your pulses  

The grain photo / labelled is in the back cover of the Verse-Laga booklet that they give out at blackpool. If I had mine with me, I'd scan it in for you Someone must have a copy lying about

The site I use most is below, just key in to the search, whatever grain you want to see and up pop's both picture(s) and history.....Check it out.

http://www.foodsubs.com/GrainCorn.html


Yours in the Sport - Bill.

I bought the book feed to win and found it very intresting with all the grain content etc in there defo worth a read.

Back in the 60s bruno i thought u were miles too young to remember that far back  

Bacl on the 60s bruno i thought u were miles too young to remember that far back  

so with beens how the birds get the other goodnesss the so call need from all the small seeds in gerrie plus & widowhood mix?

Back in the 1860's Rose.  

Actually a clone (I think that's how its spelt or is there another W in there somewhere Jas White esq keep schtume - you've been warned   ).

Good one raised by Speedbird, Rose. Beans only. How do you supplement the distance birds' diet to make sure they've everything they need.?

We dont bruno and they obviously arent lacking anything or we wouldnt be seeing them from 700ml races the only thing they do get occasionally is bit of mixture seed or peanuts as titbit to get them in grit pink and black minerals and iron tonic and metatone in there water my birds i tend to stick to the garlic and cider vinegar in the water with my sprinters and they are raced on gerry plus when i start racing them