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Good article, Speight.  

I agree with Jimmy, I think we all need to be brought down to earth now and again, even if just to check out our previous assumptions about products and their properties.

Sorry to hear you share the same health problem, Speight. I know that the current cold weather must be a particular problem for you both, and I wish to you both well. You'll also find JW quite a character !!!    

Thank you, Bruno.

I think this is too young for me to have an arthritis, but keep trying to exercise as possible as i can,    and keep taking tablets and keep myself warm in the winter.

In the winter can be painful for me but i have to keep warm for myself and same to you, Jimmy white.

speight im on a very lot of medication ie anti inflamatory, [indomethacin]  pain killers [dihydrocodeine] and muscle relaxants [diazepam] also tablets for heart problems, and depression [beleive it or not ]but seriously, the desease with me is fairly advanced, and my goodness, do  know that,at times, my advice to you ,as a younger chap , is to keep as mobile as possible [sometime easier said than, done,] do exactly what your doctor says,and physiotherapist] join the ankylosing spondulitis association,[brunos advice to me] well worth it, try glucomine sulphate [roses advice]again no harm in trying as my doctor said, and speckleds advice, dont let it beat you, batter on, sound advice ill p.m you when i get some time, and good info, meanwhile had to laugh at my physiotherapist   TAKE A HOBBY THAT INVOLVES  LOOKING UP, TO KEEP YOUR NECK MOBILE I,E DARTS ETC ,I SAID I KEEP PIGEONS , SHE LAUGHED AND ACTUALLY PUT THAT ON HER LIST, SHE HAD NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT ONE BEFORE, MAYBE SHELL KEEP THEM NOW, SHE WAS CERTAINLY INTERESTED  

Good one, Jimmy, keeping watching the skies.    

My wifes friend remarked that I'd an exceptional tan. Where did I get it?

Try spending all-day Saturday in the sun waiting on pigeons coming home in their own time rather than my time, and you'll get the same results ... bottom half of sheet, but what a great tan!!!!      

THINK I GOT THE SAME TAN BRUNO
BUT MINE WAS FROM SPENDING TWO DAYS WAITING FOR THE BIRDS. LOL
SO NOW I HAVE A PROBLEM, DO I GET FASTER BIRDS AND LOSE THE TAN,
OR STICK WITH THE ONES I HAVE AND LOOK AS IF I HAVE BEEN ON A CRUISE
AROUND THE WEST INDIES,  LOL

RAY

Which House-Cider Vinegar white or brown to use?

How much a cider vinegar in the water ? how many times on teaspoon etc.        

i was told to use the cider vinegar but you have got to put the gutflora back with live yoghurt as the vinegar will burn of the gutflora of the birds

Quoted from WINGS_04

i was told to use the cider vinegar but you have got to put the gutflora back with live yoghurt as the vinegar will burn of the gutflora of the birds

Wings, how often do you gives live yogurts on the feed's?

Do you leave them dry foods or give food straight away to the birds?

speight i will tell you what we put in the water for the week when the birds come back from a races 1st thing is milton as this will sterilis the birds thourts from any thing they have picked up in the race baskets then they will get honey for the next 2 days as this in a natural antbiotic then we give cider vinegar for a day but we do not give vinegar every week but we would give yogurt aftere it say onest a fortnight   garlic for 2 day  this helps to pureofie the blood then we would give the birds clean water for a day we also use some belgica de weerd product as and when we need

Following the old cliché, "An apple a day keeps the doctor away," may be credible for the pigeon fancier. Apples are one of the oldest, most nutritious foods on earth. They are rich in potassium. Calcium maintains our hard tissues such as bones, and potassium is the equivalent to the body's soft tissues, keeping the body's flesh and arteries soft and resilient. Fresh, organic apples are used to make Apple Cider Vinegar, which contains necessary ingredients, such as enzymes, and life stimulating minerals, mainly potassium, in a natural state. Besides being a natural stimulant for vitality, Apple Cider Vinegar cleanses and restores nutrients to the body so that the body can heal itself. Important for the pigeon fancier is the fact that Apple Cider Vinegar does not carry the E.Coli bacteria, as the acidity in the vinegar is effective in killing the 0-157 strains of E.Coli bacteria.

It should be in the natural state and not a pasteurized version. Pasteurization is the heating process intended to remove potential problem bacteria from consumable liquids such as milk, juices etc. However, this process will also remove delicate nutrients and enzymes that may constitute a major portion of the food value of that consumable. In the case of raw organic Apple Cider Vinegar liquids and tablets, pasteurization would eliminate the "mother", a major health giving factor of the vinegar. The mother is the dark, cloudy substance in the ACV – formed from naturally occurring pectin (fiber) and apple residues - it appears as molecules of protein connected in strand like chains. The presence of the mother shows that the best part of the apple has not been destroyed. Vinegars containing the mother contain enzymes and minerals that other vinegars may not contain due to over processing, filtration and overheating. ACV ranges in color from a light golden to orange. You'll know you've found natural ACV if you see sediment, referred to as the "mother" on the bottom of the bottle. The bottle should be shaken prior to use.

Many vitamins, minerals and other nutrients and substances are available in ACV to improve the health of your bird. ACV can provide them with enzymes and important minerals, such as potassium, calcium, magnesium, sulfur, chlorine, phosphorus, iron, silicon and other trace minerals. The vitamins contained in ACV are bioflavonoids (vitamin P), beta carotene (precursor to vitamin A), vitamin B1, B2, and B6, C,and E. Tannins from the crushed cell walls of fresh apples as well as acetic acid, malic acid, tarnaric acid, and propionic acid,

1 tablespoon per 4 litres (1.057 gal.) of water given to the birds twice a week seems to be a reasonable dosage for racing pigeons.

Real apple cider vinegar is a natural substance, but only if from a bio farm. It strengthens the immune system, as it is an excellent source of trace and micro elements. However, this is only true of vinegar derived from apples grown in a natural (e.g. grassy) environment free of fertilisers and insecticides. An apple that is artificially cultivated does not undergo real ripening, and so does not contain the biologically complete stock of micro elements of which it is genetically capable.

Apple cider vinegar is an ideal source of organic acid. Organic acids help digestion and the breaking down of food intake, and thus prevent the development of illnesses caused by undigested food.
It is widely known that acidity prevents the spread of coli bacteria and salmonellas. These pathogens like a gently alkaline environment in which they can really start to proliferate. Apple cider vinegar mixed in water prevents salmonella from spreading in the waterer. Its acidic effect continues to restrict pathogens, even in the pigeon’s intestines.

What is less well-known is that apple cider vinegar can be life-saving. Many have found that in hot weather pigeons’ rate of breathing can increase, dramatically if it is very hot, and pigeons breathe rapidly with their beaks open. On such occasions the increased exchange of air causes more carbon dioxide to leave the blood than normal. This leads to acid deficiency, and so the blood becomes increasingly alkaline (breathing alkalosis). Initially this process generates bad disposition, dizziness, then nausea, and, if it becomes more extreme, death. In hot weather we pine for soft drinks with lemon and carbon dioxide in order to compensate for the acid deficiency. If at such times we give our pigeons water with apple cider vinegar, we can save their lives.

In prolonged heat we can achieve even more with a little apple cider vinegar than this. For in addition to the changing pH of the blood, potentially fatal processes are taking place in the digestive system.
Heat is a powerful stressor, but is bad for digestion in and of itself, as the vessels in the skin, lungs, etc. expand, while the vessels supplying the digestive system contract. Thus in hot weather consumption of food declines, meaning that good intestinal bacteria do not have adequate nutrition, and so the acid they produce also decreases. Meanwhile, as we have seen, the alkalinity of the blood grows, which is life-threatening. Simply put, the body attempts to compensate for this by taking acid away from the digestive system, further increasing its alkalinity. As the heat stress has already reduced the resistance of the digestive system, all these factors mean that conditions are ideal for the fast proliferation of salmonellas lurking in the intestines.
Thus in hot weather there is every chance that a paratyphoid epidemic will flare up. In most cases, all this can be prevented by a simple acidification of drinking water with apple cider vinegar.

Like anything else, apple cider vinegar can be overdosed. In too great a quantity it can even damage good intestinal bacteria. The high quantity of acid absorbs calcium (lime) and removes it from the system, which results in motor and reproductive problems. So overdoses of apple vinegar should be avoided. The dose for 5% apple cider vinegar is 4-8ml per litre of drinking water, 1-3 times a week. If we administer it more regularly, e.g. in prolonged hot weather, we should choose a lower level of concentration.

In addition, we can use apple cider vinegar for the disinfection of objects, e.g. waterers, or more precisely for the subsequent acidification of a sterilized set of trays. This prevents the spread of salmonellas in the outside world. We should use it for this purpose to wash the floor of the loft, observing caution, especially in enclosed spaces, because acidic gases in the air can reach dangerous concentrations.

craig why did you copy and paste all these topics from the up north combine web site????

Craig thought ur postings were very interesting and informative Chris is there some problem with it surely anything that helps or gives other pigeon fanciers information can only be for the good of the sport  I think you will find on here everyone wherever they come from will always be willing to help out others certainly wouldnt have any problem helping anyone if i could whatever organisation they belonged to

Rose - your right....

rose,behind you on that one,it helps others and very informative for any or all fanciers,you keep going spieght,i for one,have learnt from your writings as can be applied to fancy and racing pigeons,,,,ted

And there actually copied and pasted from the Australian Pigeon Co. (well, most are) so I dont see what the problem is!!

To all the view's I've sent a pm to Chris Vasey on the UNC Forum.

Stephen(UNC Member) and Rose(Pigeonbasic Member) got a good point, In my opinions : You and Ian Snaith is a good fanciers but you and Ian is only LURKING on the Pigeonbasic Forum - not posting anything on the Pigeonbasics to help the members in the UK and outside the UK,

You and Ian Snaith are the only one posting on the UNC Forum to help fanciers, why not Pigeonbasic Forum?.

You and Ian Snaith are a tight fanciers - to not helping Pigeonbasic forum members - are my opinions....

Speight

I dont mind speight copying all the info , the only thing is it has been discussed many times on the forum what we need is some thinf different or new.

i dont mind at all  but all the topics on the unc  forum that were" copied and pasted " . permission was sought from the auhtor.  not on craig part when he copied them  , i was informed  by a few members of the unc site and as a moderator  it was up to me to ask if he had permission,  

craig myself and ian are not tight, we  try and help as many people as we can and have shared our secrets with other fanciers, thats why the posts are there to read, and if they help one person then the job is done,

i do visit pigeon basics most nights and choose not to post regular  topics as richard himself does a fantastic job as do the many other members on this site
so lads and lasses enjoy your pigeons  we are all here to learn to better ourselves (myself included)and without  the methods of good flyers where would we all be?
keep up the good work

Quoted from chris_vasey

i dont mind at all  but all the topics on the unc  forum that were" copied and pasted " . permission was sought from the auhtor.  not on craig part when he copied them  , i was informed  by a few members of the unc site and as a moderator  it was up to me to ask if he had permission,  

craig myself and ian are not tight, we  try and help as many people as we can and have shared our secrets with other fanciers, thats why the posts are there to read, and if they help one person then the job is done,

i do visit pigeon basics most nights and choose not to post regular  topics as richard himself does a fantastic job as do the many other members on this site
so lads and lasses enjoy your pigeons  we are all here to learn to better ourselves (myself included)and without  the methods of good flyers where would we all be?
keep up the good work

dont think theres a law in copying from a forum as its there for the public,i have copyed most the topics also and many other hints & tips i have read on this site and other sites,,,but only for my own needs,
chris why not sign the forum if your on most nights,dont see the point there as your a fello fancier and thats whats these forums are about listing to others opinions,i know theres some excelent topics on here so sign a few , why not.

wee bit of an irish one that chris quote" we have shared all our secrets"
any information on racing pigeons is allways welcome,FOR ALL FANCIERS
i think you should be proud of your u,n,c info