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Bruno thanks for the replie maybe we should have a poll to see who treats for worms cocci etc. Bruno one question i would like to ask do your birds have worms canker cocci etc ?
Hi, I treat for canker, cocci, and worms. I dont think you can possibly get to the top in this sport if you dont treat regular during the season. To fly consistantly the birds must be 100% fit and healthy, And I cant see how untreated birds can be healthy with the amount of stress the birds endure from racing and mixing with god knows how many other birds on the transporters. Health, fitness, motivation and a bit of luck.
Basiacally i agree with Hyacinth,but i do canker after the birds have finished breeding. all the birds will get treated once, with B.S. form Belgica De Weerd. Speckled.
Bruno one question i would like to ask do your birds have worms canker cocci etc ?
I have no reason to suspect that my birds suffer from any illness. I check my birds daily for signs of anything untoward. I also use garlic twice a week which in addition to the bird's immune system will help shift everything that shouldn't be there. I'm 14 months into a health regime that guarantees my loft hygeine will interrupt any living organism's lifecycle ... if its living and falls on my floor, boxes, perches, or even on the mesh of my section dividers and ceilings, then it is dead. Dead eggs and oocysts don't hatch. Living Organisms don't live forever, and when they do die, I've made doubly sure they've left no progeny to continue any infestation... .
Came across this on medpet website. In my opinion its another good example of what happens when you routinely medicate... the organism becomes resistant, and you've created a Superbug which neither Medicine nor the bird's immune system can shift.
Crop Canker the danger of resistant strains
Dr OJ Botha (BVSc)
"Introduction:
Crop Canker (Tricomoniasis) has become the leading cause of poor performance in racing pigeons. The incidence of the disease is steadily rising. More and more pigeon fanciers are becoming aware of the problem because they are regularly having their pigeons tested at the vet. It is becoming clear to vets and pigeon fanciers that some pigeons carry resistant strains of Crop-Canker that is not being controlled by any of the conventional Crop Canker medications.
Research proved conclusively that the problem of resistance to currently available medication was a world wide problem. Because Crop Canker is a true sub clinical disease that will often have no specific clinical signs and because racing pigeons are constantly in contact with other pigeons it is impossible to eradicate Trichomonas. To perform well in pigeon racing the fancier is forced to medicate regularly against Trichomonas in order to reduce the incidence in his lofts. The use of single day medication against Trichomonas is popular as it saves time and is often more affordable to the fancier. Although some single day medications are still very effective the use of these products do play a significant role in the development of resistant Trichomonas.
Currently all the Crop Canker medications are derived from the same group of medicines - this enhances the potential for cross-resistance between medications. This means that if a certain Trichomonas organism is resistant to one Crop Canker product the chances that it will be partially or totally resistant against the other product are very high.
Super resistant Trichomonas strains:
Since late 1990 super resistant strains of Trichomonas started appearing. These are the strains of Trichomonas found in some lofts that cannot be effectively be controlled by any product on the market today. Pigeons would be treated against Crop Canker with a previously effective product. After treatment the microscopic analysis would confirm that there was a marginal decrease in the Trichomonas count but within 7 10 days the count would rise again dramatically.
During 2002 Medpet became aware that these super resistant Trichomonas were increasing worldwide. Dr Botha and his team focused all there research on this extremely concerning problem. More than 15 different drugs and different drug dosages were used to try and eliminate these super resistant Trichomonas organisms. All of these failed. Invariably the organisms would appear again after 7 10 days. "
Incidently, this is part of an advert for a new Canker treatment. Never learn, do they?
Have had a wee look at what's out there on trichomonias the organism, and canker the disease. Quite interesting. Not all strains are 'infective' and cause disease, and the presence of non-pathogenic type can promote an immune response resulting in the bird becoming immune to the more harmful ones.
But I think this one from our own Tom Pennycott is a classic. It relates to game birds in Scotland and their version of the disease and what happened after their preventative stuff was withdrawn from the market:-
"Hexamitiasis and trichomoniasis were for a number of years partially controlled by the administration of dimetridazole in the feed during the rearing period and for the first few weeks after release.
Outbreaks of clinical disease were treated with the same drug, usually in the drinking water. However in July 2002 the manufacture and sale of all three licensed products containing dimetridazole (Emtryl Soluble for Game Birds, Emtryl Pure for Game Birds and Emtryl Premix for Game Birds) was suspended, pending discussions between the manufacturers and the European Commission about the Marketing Authorisations for these products. Sufficient dimetridazole remained for completion of the 2002 rearing season, but the game bird industry was faced with the prospect of rearing and releasing in excess of 25 million game birds in 2003 with severely depleted reserves of dimetridazole.
Game bird rearing enterprises, feed companies and their veterinary advisers responded by rationalising the use of their remaining stocks of dimetridazole, and reviewing methods of game bird rearing. Several meetings were organised in Scotland, including presentations by SAC Veterinary Services at Duns, Perth, Forres and Grantown prior to the onset of the 2003 rearing season. Great concern was expressed at these meetings that a significant increase in outbreaks of hexamitiasis or trichomoniasis would occur in 2003, detrimentally affecting the health and welfare of the birds.
In the years 1998 to 2002, 97% of all diagnoses of motile protozoal infection (hexamitiasis and trichomoniasis) in game birds occurred in the months June to September.
The end of September 2003 was, therefore, a valid time to see whether there had been a significant increase in the number of cases of hexamitiasis or trichomoniasis in game birds in 2003. Graph 1 compares the numbers of diagnoses of infection with motile protozoa in game birds submitted to SAC in 2003 with the means for the previous five-year period.
The graph shows that there was no increase in submissions of game birds with hexamitiasis or trichomoniasis in 2003. In fact, the July 2003 peak was lower than the mean for the previous five years, and numbers fell away more quickly in August and September 2003 than in the previous five-year period.
If the numbers of diagnoses of infection with motile protozoa are considered as a percentage of all game bird submissions in June to September (Graph 2), it can be seen that no percentage increase occurred in 2003.
Overall, despite limitations on the availability of dimetridazole in 2003, there was a reduction in the number of submissions of game birds with hexamitiasis and trichomoniasis, and a reduction in the percentage of submissions with these diseases. There are probably several reasons for this reduction, including favourable weather conditions during the crucial months of June to September and a conscious effort on the part of game bird rearers to improve their hygiene and management and reduce various stress factors.
Having completed a successful rearing and releasing season with diminished use of dimetridazole in 2003, it will be important that game bird rearers do not become complacent and revert to previous practices. Next years weather may not be so kind!
hi . only one way to tell if canker/tricomonias is present in a bird , and that is a swab taken from the throat , placed under the microscope at x400. my local vet told me if yellow deposits are seen it may be canker or pox if its canker they are the weak strains and the birds own imune system is fighting ,ridzol should be used as perscribed ....if its pox let it run its coarse as they will never take it again
hi silverdale lofts .if TRICHOMONAS GALLINAE are present .that little single celled bug , knowen as a protazoa , you are correct it spins like mad , by means of to little legs .knowen as FLAGELLA. as you know, their are 20+ strians of that little bug of which their is weak and strong types. none are visible to the naked eye, the yellow deposits are a product of the birds anti-bodies ,fighting the good fight with the weak types . the strong type no visaible sign . hence canker can be confused with pox... yours in sport
I'm pleased that you posted that there are many strains of Trichomonas, Ch Pied. Methinks the ordinary fancier out there thinks there is only one (called canker they confuse the organism with the disease) and they seem to spend an awful lot of time trying to get rid of 'it'.
I also have a suspicion that if this organism was as dangerous to the bird as is hyped, then the bird's immune system would ZAP-IT to the last little beggar. The fact that it doesn't suggests one of three things (1) that constant medication has compromised the bird's immune system and / or made the thing into a superbug which neither medication nor the immune system can shift; or (2) that the organism serves some unknown purpose for the pigeon and the immune system tolerates it at certain levels, above which it ZAPS-IT back to previous levels; or (3) that the bird is immune to the organism and although it is present in the bird, it ordinarily has no effect on its health until another disease allows its numbers to get out of control and cause a second illness in the bird .. canker.
Great post ch pied in my post i was just trying to explain to the new starters on the forum its not all yellow deposits they should be looking for and your post explains it all.
hi folks in my post jan 6th i admit therewas a lot of room for confusion. in future i will keep any posts more basic , as we must take into account the broad spectrum of fanciers that visit this site. i have only joined this site this month and read most of the posts ,i must say novice and oldhands always have something to learn keep the posts comming...bruno, 100%...SILVERDALE i was not having a dig....sorry..
Tricky trichomonas has me puzzled. Described as a parasite. The parasitic worm found in the intestine, presumably feeds on the partly digested contents there. But Mr Trich is found (as far as I know) only on mucous linings e.g the throat, the crop. So what does Mr Trich feed on?
tricho. organisms may also enter through the body through the unhealed naval of squabs. in this form necrotic tumour like swellings occur under the skin ,adjacent to the naval, lesions can spread to various internal organs,particularly the liver
hi folks, going back to bruno,s jan 6th . have found in my loft ,that if cocci count is on the up the tricho comes up with it . i then treat for cocci and as a result the tricho comes down to a safe leval ?. THAT WAS PRE 1994. since then i fitted floor grills and have been using stalosan F in the loft i have not had any problems with cocci or worms being that the life cycle of both has been broken , by the use of stalosan and the grills. please dont think i,am promoting the use stalosan and grills but i,am happy with the result. YES i do think over use of treatments for tricho has reduced the natural immune system to this organinsm. YES i do think pigeons over treated will result in some sort of super bug, just look at the M.R.S.A. bug. i think tricho needs a boost ,and that being cocci/worms /trush/ i have not treated for tricho since 94, as the count has stayed low at around 4/5%. the only bird,s treated are new one,s ,found with high count,s . should read bruno jan 7th
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Basiacally i agree with Hyacinth,but i do canker after the birds have finished breeding. all the birds will get treated once, with B.S. form Belgica De Weerd. Speckled. 
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